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thevegantwins
01-11-2007, 06:37 AM
January 11, 2007

Uncruel Beauty:yea:

By RUTH LA FERLA

HADASS KANTOROWICZ is on the fence. “I eat less meat than I used to,” said Ms. Kantorowicz, a self-described tantric healer who stopped in last week at Organic Avenue, a vegan general store in downtown Manhattan. “I’m definitely a lot more conscious than I used to be.” While she appreciates the virtues of a meat-free diet, she stops short of embracing a vegan way of life, one that would ask her to forsake a croc-embossed bag or patent leather pumps. “And I’m not ready to wear hemp,” she confided.

But a proliferation of vegan-friendly fashions and stores that ban animal products outright from their shelves may tempt her to change her tune. If she has yet to adopt the zero-tolerance approach advocated by the most militant vegetarians, she typifies the customer that many vegan marketers are now courting.

National chains like Whole Foods; boutiques like MooShoes, a New York outlet for imitation-leather wallets, belts and bags; online stores like Pangea; and eco-minded labels like Moral Fiber, Real Fake, Novacas (no cows) and Matt & Nat are encouraging shoppers, even those merely flirting with a “cruelty free” diet, to embrace its precepts not just in the kitchen but in their wardrobes. To their minds, vegan chic, once an oxymoron, is a glossy new marketing handle. Clothes and accessories once shunned for their aura of hair-shirt deprivation have acquired a hint of luxury.

Vegans, who may be thought of as extreme vegetarians, strive for a diet and way of life that is noninjurious to both animals and the environment, directly or through the processing of materials like leather, wool or silk. From motives of conscience or health, most reject shoes and clothing made from hides, even those made with animal-based glues and dyes.

“People are more conscious today of what they’re wearing, why they’re wearing it and how it affects the environment,” said Robert Burke, a fashion retail consultant in New York. To ignore such issues “is not sexy today,” he said.

Six months ago Denise Mari opened Organic Avenue on the Lower East Side. “At one time being vegan meant focusing on what you had to give up,” she said. “Today we’re stepping beyond the mundane what-you-need-to-survive approach” and concentrating instead on “how to make this a fun lifestyle that other people can relate to.”

“We’d like people to say, ‘Wow, look how fashionable this is! I want it for its style.’ ”

At her shop Ms. Mari sells hemp and bamboo tanks and shirtdresses, and even men’s suits made from ahimsa silk, a fiber processed without injuring silkworms ($700).

Certainly Ms. Mari and other merchants are beneficiaries of a spike in the vegetarian population. As of last year, there were an estimated 4.8 million vegetarians in the United States, one-third to one-half of them vegan, according to the Vegetarian Resource Group, a nonprofit educational organization. That number has nearly doubled since 1997.

But today retailers and designers are aiming at potential customers identified in a survey last year by Mintel International, a consumer research company, as “occasional vegetarians.” They shop vegan selectively, as the Mintel study pointed out, but their “purchasing power is paramount.”

This health- and eco-conscious population has contributed most visibly to the growth of a $1.2 billion market for vegetarian goods (primarily dairy, egg, cheese, meat and poultry substitutes and tofu), according to Mintel, one that jumped 63.5 percent between 2000 and 2005.

Just a half-dozen years ago, shoppers searching for cow-friendly wares had to resort to shoes from Payless, “vegan” by virtue of their synthetic materials, or to utility plastic or canvas boots, wallets and backpacks sold through Vegan Essentials, one of a handful of online stores. Now even a few mass marketers are incorporating stylish vegan products into their lines. Vans promotes its Geoff Rowley vegan skateboarding shoes, made from synthetic nubuck and rubber. Rampage, a mall brand, is advertising “cruelty free” imitation leather styles.

In New York an outcropping of eco-conscious boutiques carries goods that would pass muster with even the strictest vegetarians. Kaight, a five-month-old store on the Lower East Side, offers hand-stitched dresses of recycled cashmere and wool; organic denim jeans; and Linda Loudermilk dresses made from Lyocell, a biodegradable wood pulp fiber ($275). NY Artificial, in the meatpacking district of all places, sells one-of-a-kind synthetic suede and leather bags ($275 to $475) and corset-wide belts made from vegetal, a canvas coated with tree sap.

“There is a market for these designs,” said Alex Guzman, an owner. “People want to do something about protecting animal and human rights and the environment. But they don’t want to be carrying a canvas tote, the kind you buy in bookstores.”

On the luxury level, Stella McCartney, long an activist for animal rights, sells canvas, linen, Lucite and imitation leather shoes and handbags, which, despite prices in the $800 range, have an avid following.

Some of the new customers are picky, cooling their cowhide heels as they hold out for quality wares. Judith Green, a education consultant, was happy to try on a wrap dress made of recycled cashmere at Kaight, but balked at the selection of synthetic shoes. “I haven’t found the wear and the comfort of a hand-stitched Italian leather shoe,” she said. “If I did, I would trade in my own.”

There is a strong incentive to offer vegan versions of products seen in more conventional stores, said Deborah Wasserman, a director of the Vegetarian Resource Group. It is not uncommon, she noted, to find sexy, form-fitting PVC biker jackets, plastic iPod cases and stilettos. Such styles appeal to environmentalists and dedicated vegans alike, she said, contributing to a measurable growth in the vegan fashion resources.

To find them, “you don’t have to go to the hemp store,” said Marcia Mogelonsky, a research analyst at Mintel. Whole Foods and health food co-ops are becoming general stores, selling hemp shower curtains, bamboo flooring and organic cotton T-shirts along with flaxseed and tofu turkey.

Last year the vegan movement spawned the Vegan Fashion Blog, which trumpets the aesthetic virtues of Rampage cotton canvas totes, Chinese Laundry gold-tone plastic sandals, Baby Phat boots with ankle charms and Lands’ End “toasty” faux-suede gloves.

Such items have particular appeal to fashion indies, whose numbers proliferate on college campuses, where vegan dining rooms are no longer uncommon. “College students are much more invested in a lifestyle that allows them to think nothing of wearing pleather,” Ms. Mogelonsky said. “They have grown up on the three R’s: reduce, recycle, reuse.”

“They are more likely to adopt vegan fashion,” she added, “because unlike the baby boomers, to them it isn’t ‘weird.’ ”

Indeed, there are hints that some young would-be hipsters are feeling the pressure to conform. “Here all my friends think eating and shopping vegan is the cool thing to do,” said Ms. Kantorowicz, the healer, who recently moved to New York from Seattle. The movement has derived impetus from fashion celebrities like Ms. McCartney and from the entertainment world as well.

“Certainly Hollywood has been a big promoter,” Ms. Wasserman said, citing the powers of professed vegans like Natalie Portman, Alicia Silverstone, Woody Harrelson and Joaquin Phoenix.

Their vehemence has prompted some trend-conscious shoppers to embrace vegan wares, if not vegan values. At Stella McCartney, they buy the shoes and bags favored by Ms. Portman and her peers. “Most of these people don’t care whether the shoes are leather or not,” said Tiziana Lanza, the brand’s retail manager in the United States. “They buy for the cachet and the design.”

Jack McKeever, a singer, musician and sometime vegetarian, stopped by Organic Avenue last week partly because he was hoping to buy an ahimsa silk suit that had earlier caught his eye. He admired the fabric and the look, he said. “If these people can compete aesthetically, I say, ‘Rock on!’ ”

I never heard of that vegan store, Organic Avenue in NYC but I'm going to check it out on Monday during my visit with cherie. I'm just impressed that the NY Times actually had a pro-vegan article.

Keykeypie
01-11-2007, 07:21 AM
"Such items have particular appeal to fashion indies, whose numbers proliferate on college campuses, where vegan dining rooms are no longer uncommon. “College students are much more invested in a lifestyle that allows them to think nothing of wearing pleather,”

YES YES YES.....The Times They Are A-Changing....baby!!:yea:

Gliondrach
01-11-2007, 03:41 PM
I hope we get shops like those over here soon.

Oracl
01-11-2007, 10:39 PM
Organic Avenue sounds good. :agree: And Moral Fiber is a clever name, I haven't heard of that one. :)

Enchantress
01-11-2007, 11:47 PM
Hmm, I'm not too keen on that article personally. I think it's good that a leading newspaper published an article that mentions veganism without ridiculing it; but there are a few points in that article I take issue with.

Indeed, there are hints that some young would-be hipsters are feeling the pressure to conform. “Here all my friends think eating and shopping vegan is the cool thing to do,” said Ms. Kantorowicz, the healer, who recently moved to New York from Seattle. The movement has derived impetus from fashion celebrities like Ms. McCartney and from the entertainment world as well.

“Certainly Hollywood has been a big promoter,” Ms. Wasserman said, citing the powers of professed vegans like Natalie Portman, Alicia Silverstone, Woody Harrelson and Joaquin Phoenix.

I think in some ways the above two paragraphs made veganism sound like a fad. As if many people are only turning towards veganism to be "cool" or "fashionable".

I also take issue with the article only interviewing non-vegan shoppers. I suppose it does show that vegan goods can appeal to non-vegans as well, but I'd have preferred it if their had been more input from actual vegans.

The article also states "In New York an outcropping of eco-conscious boutiques carries goods that would pass muster with even the strictest vegetarians." then goes on to say "Kaight, a five-month-old store on the Lower East Side, offers hand-stitched dresses of recycled cashmere and wool". I think this gives the impression that cashmere and wool clothes are vegan, when they are obviously not, regardless of whether or not they are recycled.

I also think in a couple of places it gave the impression that vegan clothing and footwear were somehow second rate. As illustrated in the first paragraph, which states "While she appreciates the virtues of a meat-free diet, she stops short of embracing a vegan way of life, one that would ask her to forsake a croc-embossed bag or patent leather pumps. “And I’m not ready to wear hemp,” she confided.", and later on where it says "Some of the new customers are picky, cooling their cowhide heels as they hold out for quality wares. Judith Green, a education consultant, was happy to try on a wrap dress made of recycled cashmere at Kaight, but balked at the selection of synthetic shoes. “I haven’t found the wear and the comfort of a hand-stitched Italian leather shoe,” she said. “If I did, I would trade in my own.”".

Okay, that's my moan for the day over and done with :o.

Keykeypie
01-12-2007, 09:38 AM
YES.....now that I read it "with you" I sure do see what you mean......
that the writer is no vegan, is pretty obvious...snotty omni bitch:nahnah:

thevegantwins
01-12-2007, 11:45 AM
I doubt we'll ever see the day when a mainstream, propaganda-machine like the NY Times actually prints a true pro-vegan article but I consider this one to be as close as they've ever had which is better than nothing considering how many people read the NY Times in print and online. I'd still rather see people wearing recycled cashmere and wool than going out and buying new items. I don't consider those items vegan but in terms of animal suffering, at least the used animal skins do not directly contribute to the demand for skin.

Oracl
01-12-2007, 04:46 PM
I doubt we'll ever see the day when a mainstream, propaganda-machine like the NY Times actually prints a true pro-vegan article but I consider this one to be as close as they've ever had which is better than nothing considering how many people read the NY Times in print and online.
A step in the right direction. :agree:

Oracl
01-12-2007, 04:55 PM
Okay, that's my moan for he day over and done with :o.
Keep moaning Enchantress, the animals need people like you! :agree: :thumbsup: You are not prepared to compromise your own principles in any way and so you hate the fair-weather, faddy vegans portrayed in the article. :sigh:

thevegantwins
01-13-2007, 06:59 AM
You're like Switzerland, Oracl. Nice and neutral :curtsey:

Keykeypie
01-13-2007, 08:03 AM
Oh but I have to say......I love the idea of it being "trendy"....or "In"...as
in the thing to do....that can't be a bad thing...can it?

One of the coolest stories I ever read was a chapter from the book 'UTOPIA TODAY - REALITY TOMORROW (http://www.european-vegetarian.org/lang/en/info/publications/veggieworld.php)
about this young boy in Ireland in the year 2050 and he gets bullied at school partly because he makes the best grades & his parents are pretty well off &
he lives in a nicer house and all.
However, even though his parents are kind & loving, he always senses there's some sort of a family secret that no one wants to talk about...

So anyway.....one day he makes the bullies really angry and they decide
to get back at him once and for all so they take him to this old abandoned
slaughter house. [remember, this is in the future where EVERYONE feels the same way we all do now]
Well they all go in and start walking around and in one room there is a
big sign on the floor and the boys take him to the sign and wipe away all the dust until the lettering is clear and it says "Armstrong Meats"....and THAT'S HIS LAST NAME!!
And when he realizes what it means he runs home crying.....devestated
that his own family could have been involved in something so horrible.
Now he wonders how he'll ever be able to face people again.....

.....and there more.....but since I often hear of kids today getting bullied
BECAUSE they are vegan...I like the idea of people finally being ashamed
for even being connected with eating meat.

And remember........we don't have to convince the whole world...we just
have to convert a certain number of people because I believe the majority of people really don't care one way or another but will happily go along with whatever is thought to be the "right thing.".....I think most people just want to fit in......don't you?

Gliondrach
01-13-2007, 09:20 AM
That seems like an interesting story. But, wasn't his family's past a bit obvious if their name was Meats?

Oracl
01-13-2007, 04:51 PM
But, wasn't his family's past a bit obvious if their name was Meats?
:lol: :bhead: Yeah, good one Gliondrach! ;) :D

Oracl
01-13-2007, 05:53 PM
You're like Switzerland, Oracl. Nice and neutral :curtsey:
I take my responsibilities on the forum seriously! ;) :D

Cherie
01-15-2007, 03:03 AM
I am excited to go there! Yay. :D

Pat Sommer
02-12-2007, 01:01 PM
That story reminds me, KeyKeyPie, of the 100th Monkey Tale: how observers of island dwelling monkeys were surprised when, after initially one at a time troupe members were adopting a new behavior, once the new behavior reached the level of 10% of the troupe -ALL- the troupe adopted the behavior.

That little factoid has cheered me up immensely over the years:rubchin:

and about being trendy... Ya, the fad will be over and people will move on; '70s were moving pro veggie and then the pedulumn swung the other way in the '80s.:rolleyes:

Keykeypie
02-12-2007, 04:29 PM
That story reminds me, KeyKeyPie, of the 100th Monkey Tale: how observers of island dwelling monkeys were surprised when, after initially one at a time troupe members were adopting a new behavior, once the new behavior reached the level of 10% of the troupe -ALL- the troupe adopted the behavior.

That little factoid has cheered me up immensely over the years:rubchin:

and about being trendy... Ya, the fad will be over and people will move on; '70s were moving pro veggie and then the pedulumn swung the other way in the '80s.:rolleyes:

YES! I'm always thinking about the 100 monkeys too Pat....and one other thing too.
I've heard "certain" vegans [nobody here] say that they don't feel that
being vegan makes them any better then omnis........And I say ....."what are you kidding me or what? Of course we're superior to meat eaters."

Or more evolved, if that sounds better. However I don't believe that we
are so much more evolved that the rest of the world won't ever catch up.

Of course they will catch up. Considering time & space etc....this is still
a very young world.

Fauxmage
02-12-2007, 04:54 PM
...
I've heard "certain" vegans [nobody here] say that they don't feel that
being vegan makes them any better then omnis........And I say ....."what are you kidding me or what? Of course we're superior to meat eaters."... You reminded me of something I said to thevegantwins in private, a little while ago:
It really bothers me to be characterized as someone who is "perfect" or "devout", and uses this perfection to make other people feel bad about themselves. I do what I do because I think it is the right thing to do, and I am really not able to do anything else. Its got nothing to do with wanting to be better than other people, or making them think I am better than them. And yet, deep down I think anyone who does what they know is right IS better than those who know, but won't make the effort. So maybe that slips through some of the things I say or write. But knowing that there are people who are too lazy and selfish to do right by animals doesn't make me feel better about myself because I am different from them. It makes me sadder for the animals.
Its hard because on the one hand, you don't want to alienate people by making them think you believe them to be inferior in some way, but one the other hand, its hard to deny that I believe people who live their beliefs are better than those who just give them lip service, and people whose beliefs encompass compassion for all life are more enlightened than those who believe the world exists only to serve humanity.

Keykeypie
02-12-2007, 06:15 PM
OK....but my point is....when vegans say stuff like it's all hopeless & people
will NEVER change it's like they're saying ......."I'm so superior that the majority of the world could never be as evolved as I am"........see, I do think we're superior.....just not to the extent that the rest of the world is too hopeless to ever catch up.

Fauxmage
02-12-2007, 09:08 PM
Sorry Keykeypie, I didn't miss your point, I just went off on a tangent of my own. :o

Oracl
02-12-2007, 10:08 PM
I have enjoyed reading all the posts, tangential one included! ;) :)

Gliondrach
02-13-2007, 09:11 AM
I feel superior. But that is because I am.

Fauxmage
04-16-2007, 09:59 PM
It notes that "only a few high-end designers -- among the best-known, Stella McCartney -- are conscious about not using animal products in the shoes, jackets and handbags they design. That's a problem for strict vegans, who don't eat anything that's a byproduct of an animal, including meat, fish, eggs or milk. They also try to stay clear of shoes, handbags, jackets and belts made of animal products such as leather, suede, shearling, wool, fur and cashmere." I get so tired of hearing other people telling me what is a "problem" for strict vegans. (What is a "strict" vegan anyway??? Either you are vegan or you aren't. Nothing strict about it.) If I NEVER purchase a multithousand dollar designer dress, or a multihundred dollar designer handbag, I will still die a happy woman. :rolleyes:

Not to brag, but people have always complimented my clothes and shoes. I've never had to wear hemp sackcloths and homemade sandals a day in my vegan life, and lots of people actually envy my shoes and ask me where I get them. :agree:

I lose my patience when I see people characterizing the vegan lifestyle as one of deprivation and sacrifice. I came across a thread on another forum in which people are whining about all the things they had to give up when they went vegan. All I ever think about when I see people whining like that in public about shoes and ice cream is what the animals are forced to give up so that they can have these stupid, trivial things. Wouldn't it be nice if the animals could all get together and complain about not having the right hair care products that will help them to look their best. :rolleyes:

Oracl
04-16-2007, 11:34 PM
I came across a thread on another forum in which people are whining about all the things they had to give up when they went vegan. All I ever think about when I see people whining like that in public about shoes and ice cream is what the animals are forced to give up so that they can have these stupid, trivial things.
So true. :(

Jess
02-29-2008, 08:09 PM
I know one of the stores mentioned in the article. It's actually one of my favorite stores in the world. It's NY ARTIFICIAL, in the Meat Packing District in NYC.
They have a wonderful collection of bags for women and men alike. OMG, I went crazy the first time I walked into their store, I was in handbag heaven. Finally something wonderful for Vegans and made in New York for a change. I am so tired of feeling guilty for buying Vegan items made by slave labor in China, very bad kharma. I saw a T.V. Expose on NOW about it and can no longer buy these products I have a friend who works for a well known department store that sells bags made in China and the wholesale cost she mentioned was less than $20.00 per bag and sold to the public at around $100.00. If that is the cost, how much is the poor laborer in China making for his or her work. That's not a kharma I want on my back. Now I live in New York City and I have the opportunity to visit the store quite often. They have new products everytime I go there. They have there own exlusive designers manufacturing their beautiful products. There very proud of their work, although they don't talk much about it, but they have an extensive repetoire of writeups from around the world including the New York Times.
Their bags are GORGEOUS! You have to see them to believe it and most importantly the prices are right for something that is unique and made in New York. I used to like Moo Shoes, it's not mentioned in the article but they are also located in New York and since I started checking on the labels I got turned off by the words inside the bag: MADE IN CHINA and the dreadful PVC. So far I haven't found anything not made in China there. It's a bit discouraging that the majority of the Vegan Products are made in the sweatshops of China.
Just in case you cannot visit the stores in New York, here's the link for NY ARTIFICIAL

www.nyartificial.com

I hope you love it as much as I do.

Let me know what you think.
Jess

Oh, I forgot, I've gotten wonderful makeovers by professional makeup artists most of the time I've been there. They have their own makeup line and since the products are not tested on animals, they test it on their clients. Let me tell you, they are WONDERFUL! I hope you can experience that one day for yourself.

BYE

Jess
03-01-2008, 12:02 PM
Ohhh, I didn't know there was so much anger bottled up !
I'm Vegan and Fashionable. No problem for me. I just don't patronize the companies that claim to be Vegan and sell us their products made by China or India slaves. Like I said before, I don't want that Bad Kkarma on me.
Being Vegan is alot easier than many of you may think. I live in NYC now and I have no problem finding good food in Restaurants or Grocery Stores. You just have to be more choosey.
Regarding clothing I just avoid anything made by slaves from China or India.
It's a bit more expensive sometimes, but instead of buying a bag or a pair of shoes per month, I rather have one or two new bags a year but made in the US or Europe.

Attitude towards life choices and unexpected nuances is what makes it easy. Or Not.
It's only up tu us to make it work.

Cheer up people, let's have some fun !

Gliondrach
03-01-2008, 12:08 PM
Welcome, Jess. Yes, there are some nice things in that NY Artificial place.

Jess
03-01-2008, 01:22 PM
Hi Gliondrach,

I like you quote, I always are and I never do. Thanks.

Yes, they have some great things in their website, but the best is in their stores. They make 'one of a kind' bags and accessories. I've seen the merchandise coming out of their workshop and sold out inmediately. I went to couple of their Trunk Shows where they exhibit new independent designers to the public. They were a lot of fun. I even got a nice 'grab bag' with an I-Pod case and a beautiful Silver Necklace with Quartz and Garnet Stones for Valentine's.
Most of their customers, I realized that night, are not even vegan or vegetarian. They are regular people who like their vegan bags!!!! Their bags are trully beautiful and unique. I do now understand why they are popular. Except in the Vegan World.
They don't like labels, so they don't wear the word Vegan on their products. They simply care deeply about the environment, animals and humans alike.
The owners are veeeeeery Cool. I've met them before and they're totally down to earth.
If you live or happen to visit New York one day, stop by to check out their store. It's beautiful ! and make sure you meet the owners. One used to be a model !
Good luck, Bye.

Gliondrach
03-01-2008, 04:01 PM
I'm glad you like my quote - it's from the sayings of a philosopher friend of mine. There's not much chance of me visiting New York. In fact, I have to stay away from the US as I am on the wanted lists in 27 states, and the sherrif of Bamberg county in South Carolina has been authorised to shoot me on sight.

There seem to be a lot of people who buy 'vegan' clothes and other things now for reasons of fashion. That's not a bad thing because it does make other people more aware that things can be made from cruelty-free materials.