The Companion Animal Advice Column

[Bowwowmeow]

This is the place to come with questions or suggestions concerning the animals we live with.
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[Bowwowmeow]

Here is a bit of advice I posted elsewhere about feeding cats a vegan diet.

"The cats my brother has seen have suffered mainly from the lack of taurine in the vegan diet and protein deficiency. The taurine issue surprised me, because I thought that everyone knew the need for taurine in a cats diet, but I guess maybe it is not as well known as I thought.

The protein problem for cats is much more complex than the taurine deficiency in the diet. Proteins are not all the same. Cats have evolved a digestive system that is able to break the protein bonds and release the amino acids from animal protein sources only. Cats lack the enzymes necessary to break the bonds in plant proteins in order to free the amino acids, and cats also need foods much denser in protein than can be provided from plants.

Cats do not require any carbohydrate in their diets at all, as their systems will keep their blood glucose supply stable by converting glucogenic amino acids into glucose. Therefore it is safe to say that cats do not have the necessary enzymes or digestive organs to deal with carbohydrate rich foods (plants).

Fats provide the most concentrated source of energy for cats. Cats also do not need carbohydrates for energy (as we do) because they are equipped to obtain their energy from fats. Cats cannot convert linoleic acids to arachidonic acids. Arachidonic acid is a necessary nutrient for cats, and must be supplied in the diet. Arachidonic acid is not found in plant tissues, it must be obtained by the cat from animal sources. It is necessary for the absorption of fat soluble vitamins.

Cats cannot convert beta carotene into Vitamin A. Fully formed Vitamin A as is found in animal tissue must be supplied in the diet.

B Vitamins: Tryptophan is a niacin precursor. Cats, however, cannot convert tryptophan into niacin, and must obtain nicotinamide from animal sources. Thiamin deficiency can be caused by the interaction of thiamin with foods high in glutamate, such as vegetable protein or soy-based food.

Cats have adapted to obtaining almost all of their water requirements from the water content of their live prey, and drink very little water. When eating dry food, most of the water drunk by cats is used to hydrate the food, resulting in lower urine volume and a higher concentration of urine salts, increasing the likelihood of urinary tract stones and blockages.

I expect it may still be possible to have a healthy cat on a vegan diet if these issues are addressed. I do not know whether synthetic varieties of all of the necessary nutrients for cats are available, so some compromise may still be necessary, such as supplementing with cod liver oil, etc. I must disagree very strongly with the following statement, however:



However, there is no need for a healthy vegan cat to go and see a vet - does that make sense?

When a person is making such a radical departure from what a cat is biologically designed to eat, regular visits to a vet should be imperative, in my opinion. When symptoms of disease finally become obvious to a layperson, the disease has already progressed to a very late stage, and it may be too late to correct the situation. I would no more attempt to raise a cat on a meat-free diet without regular veterinary monitoring than I would attempt to raise a new-born human infant on soy instead of breast milk without regular monitoring by my doctor. If the cats my brother has seen had been getting checked all along they would never have gotten that sick to begin with."

[Bowwowmeow]

Thanks for that information. Is there any chance you happen know what the cats your brother saw had been getting fed? I realise there are lots of reasons why cats shouldn't get only plant based foods, but I thought the commercial vegan foods had addressed those problems. I'm just curious to know if the cats had been on a commercial food or a 'home-made' diet.

No, he didn't know. He's only the tech, not the doctor, and I'm not sure he could look it up if it were in their records. I think it would be a very good idea not to assume a commercial vegan food included everything a cat needs. Commercial meat foods don't always, either. Taurine is destroyed by heat, so it may not necessarily be absent only from vegan formulas. If you don't see any of the nutritional components that are essential for cats listed on your food, call the company to make sure or add supplements yourself. http://veganforum.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

One more word on the protein problem. If the cats are not able to completely digest the plant protein in the vegan food, their systems will make use of their own tissues for the production of hormones, etc. Proteins are needed for more than just tissue structure. Amino acids have very important functions in the brain, and the brain is number one on the body's list of priorities. If the brain is not getting what it needs from the diet, it will rob the body itself. It usually starts in on the internal organs before it will attack the muscles. This can be a subtle, long lasting process, and you won't know what's happening until it is very advanced. That's why it is important to have the cat checked by the vet, whether she seems well or not. http://veganforum.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

I hope that my advice is not misconstrued as an argument in favor of the ethics of using dead animals for pet food. I don't think any of the people here who feed their companions meat do this because they think it is an acceptable vegan ethic, or that they are making value judgements about whose lives are more important, their pets' or the animals slaughtered for food. It is possible to have a set of ethics that a person may not always be able to apply 100% to their life situations, without being called a hypocrite. Many people here are honest enough to say that they are unable to feed their cats vegan diets for various reasons. I do not see any of them arguing that they think it is ethical to feed dead animals to their pets. I just see that they are extremely conflicted about their inability to apply their ethics to their lives at this time.

[Bowwowmeow]

Here's a list of forbiddden foods for dogs:

apple and pear seeds
avocado
bones that splinter easily
chocolate
coffee, coffee grounds
fat trimmings
macadamia nuts
onions
peach/apricot/cherry pits
nutmeg
potato leaves and steams
raisins
raw eggs
raw fish
rhubarb leaves and stems
spoiled food of any kind
sugary food
tea, tea bags
tomato leaves and steams
walnuts

Apple and pear seeds contain arsenic in very tiny quantities, but arsenic is cummulative in the body.
I don't know why avocado is bad. I used to see a dog food called Avoderm which was based on avocado and very good for skin and coat.
Potato and tomato plants are of the nightshade family, and the leaves and green parts of a potato are very toxic.
Nutmeg is a hallucinogen in sufficient quantity.
Onions damage dogs' blood vessels. The onion oil attacks the hemoglobin in some way.
Rhubarb has lots of oxalic acid, which can form kidney stones.
Splintering chicken bones speak for themselves!
The nuts and pits I don't know about. There could be undesirable substances in them, or it could be that their size makes them easy to choke on. Dogs don't really chew, they just reduce their food into small enough morsels to swallow whole. Since nuts and pits are already small, they might cause problems if they get stuck somewhere.
A funny story about macadamia nuts: A friend of mine brought back some chocolate covered macadamia nuts from Hawaii. She discovered eight were missing, and suspected her dogs. One by one, six whole macadamia nuts started showing up in one of her dogs' poops! She had no problem with the chocolate (which was lucky, because chocolate is toxic to dogs) but couldn't digest the nuts!
I give macadamia nuts to my dogs, but I chop them, as I do with most of the nuts I give them. I don't know why walnuts are considered bad. I don't know why grapes and raisins are bad, either. The dogs who suffered damage ate up to two pounds of grapes in one sitting. An occasional grape or raisin probably is not harmful.
Raw egg white interferes with vitamin absorption in dogs, and raw fish contains parasites, although I think the stomach acid in dogs would probably take care of this. I don't feed raw fish, though.
Its the caffeine in tea and coffee, and sugar is bad for everyone!

Both my dogs and cats love coconut milk. The dogs always get the last of my breakfast smoothie, which I make with coconut milk, flax oil, and 5 or 6 different fruits.

Fermenting vegetables is a good way to make them digestible without cooking, which preserves nutrients and enzymes. My dogs love homemade sauerkraut, and you can add lots of vegetables to it, not just cabbage. It doesn't make them gassy, either.

[dreamer]

I don't think any of the people here who feed their companions meat do this because they think it is an acceptable vegan ethic, or that they are making value judgements about whose lives are more important, their pets' or the animals slaughtered for food. It is possible to have a set of ethics that a person may not always be able to apply 100% to their life situations, without being called a hypocrite. Many people here are honest enough to say that they are unable to feed their cats vegan diets for various reasons. I do not see any of them arguing that they think it is ethical to feed dead animals to their pets. I just see that they are extremely conflicted about their inability to apply their ethics to their lives at this time.[/SIZE][/FONT]
I totally agree. I actually feel guilty about giving my carnivorous companion animals meat and/or other animal products, but I don't feel I can supply them proper nutrition without it. I do not claim that they are "worth" more than any other animal, but they are an important part in my life that I would have trouble living without. I often (I guess this is silly, but here it is) ask forgiveness for the suffering I'm part of as I feed them their "meaty" meals:sorry: What really upset me is that my rabbits' pellets--all the ones made of timothy hay that I can find (as alfalfa hay is not the best for non-breeding house rabbits)--have vitamin D3 in them too:grumble:

[Bowwowmeow]

I often (I guess this is silly, but here it is) ask forgiveness for the suffering I'm part of as I feed them their "meaty" meals. No, that's not silly at all. Sometimes its all you can do, and its better than just thinking you are entitled to take the suffering of others for granted. :(

[BabaGhannooj]

Okay, I need advice!! Bajor has a chewing problem. When he sits with me on the couch, he gnaws my arm. I give him a chew toy, but he keeps going after my arm. Today I'm wearing a sweatshirt and he keeps grabbing it and pulling. I say, "NO!" and move away, but it doesn't seem to work. I either have to get up and do something else, or put him outside.

ALSO he's chewing his fish toy into little pieces. I had to take it away because I was afraid he'd eat the pieces. Yesterday he started tearing apart the doormat. He's also been eating grass. And when I put him outside because he was chewing me, he laid down and started chewing a pinecone. This is probably what's causing his problems (see 'My Life With a Dog Blog'). If he DOES eat some of the toy, will he just poop it out?

Will he grow out of this kind of thing??? We've had to put up the cat toys, shoes....Today my friend came over and Bajor started chewing her shoe. She was like, "That's okay," and let him play with it. She had taken her shoes off withouut untying them. HA!! When she went to leave, she put her shoes on to find he'd chewed her shoelace and broke it!!

So he has one of those Kong toys that you put stuff in and they chew it out or something. So far he hasn't ripped it apart yet, but I think they're supposed to be unrippable. He's gnawing on it now.

[Bowwowmeow]

Hi Baba. This is not surprising in a rehomed dog. He is going through stress, and its coming out in inappropriate chewing behavior. Don't allow anyone like your friend, no matter how nice they are about it, to let him chew on anything he shouldn't be chewing on. People often make the muistake of allowing a dog to chew on old socks or shoes they don't want anymore, but a dog will never be able to learn which is the old unwanted shoe or sock and which is off limits.

Kongs are good, and so are Booda rope "bones". My oldest dog Fod was a chewer when he first came to live with me, and it took six months to get him to learn not to chew on whatever he wanted. Even I lost a few shoes to carelessness! What you want to do with Bajor is redirect his focus. Find treats or toys like the Kong, which he really likes, and when he starts to chew on your arm, tell him "Kong", or "treat", or whatever term you would like to use to represent what you want him to chew on, and give it to him immediately, placing it in his mouth if necessary. When you have time, set aside 15 minutes or so, and deliberately set out to work on this. Get his treat or toy ready, and observe him closely. It is most effective if you can anticipate when he is about to chew on something inappropriate, and shove the toy in his face before he gets a grip on what you don't want him to chew. It takes a little practice, but it is a better way to train than waiting for him to do what you don't want, and trying to tell him no. Dogs need to have positive things to do, which is why the redirect works. Just telling him no, without giving him something to do which he can be praised for, is not very effective.

Never leave him alone with a chew toy, even a large Kong. Dogs have been known to swallow even the big ones, and require operations to have them removed. I generally do leave my dog alone with the booda rope, but thats because after years of watching him chew on one, I know he does not swallow the strings he chews off.

I hope this helps. Can you get any training advice from where you adopted him, or your local Humane Society? Ours offers really good telephone assistance, and classes too.

[BabaGhannooj]

AAARRGGHH!! He's chewing pieces off of the Kong now!!!! I took it away and gave him a rawhide. I don't really think he should be having rawhides right now since they can cause diarrhea, and that may be part of his problem, but I don't want him eating the rubber chew toy! Isn't there ANYTHING they make that can't be chewed into pieces???

Yeah, when he tries chewing me, I do put the toy right in his mouth. But most of the time he spits it out and goes after me again.

So how do I keep him from chewing pine cones and grass????

[Bowwowmeow]

Some of this chewing may be a result of his digestive disturbance. When all else fails, get a bunch of those plastic lemons full of lemon juice, and squirt some in his mouth when he goes for grass or pinecones. Those bitter apple spray deterrents work for some dogs, but not others. I have never seen a dog that didn't stop when he got a shot of lemon juice in his mouth, and it is safe to use. Its also very good for stopping dog fights.

[thevegantwins]

My vegan coworker gave me advice awhile ago that I completely forget about until recently. We had been using deep cat food bowls for Felíne's food and water and I had mentioned to my coworker that Felíne is such a slob when she eats, spilling food all around the bowl. She told me that deep dish bowls aren't good for cats, their whiskers get bent and throws off their balance. I purchsed shallow cat food bowls this week and voila, Felíne is a much neater eater! I feel bad though that I put her through the deep dish bowl for so long :(

[Bowwowmeow]

I never really knew that, vegantwins. Though all the bowls intended for feeding cats are shallow, probably for that reason.

A cat uses its whiskers for all kinds of purposes we can't even imagine. They are almost as dependent upon them as they are on their eyes, which is why it is a no-no to trim them or pluck them out, which some ignorant people actually do. :no:

[BabaGhannooj]

My sister-in-law gave us some Bitter Apple spray. So I have this wire shelf with stuffed bears on it (my husband calls me 'Bear', so he buys me a lot of bears!). Well, Bajor 's been taking bears off the shelf and taking them to his bed. He hasn't eaten them, or ripped them up. When I pick them up, they're just wet. Today he took 2. Off of 2 different shelves. So I put them back. I sprayed all the bears, and put extra on the 2 he liked. Later he got the SAME BEARS and brought them back to his bed. IT DOESN'T WORK ON HIM!!

Oh--that stuff is NASTY!! :blecch: I accidently got some on my hand then ate something. I don't know how Bajor can stand the stuff!!

So I think I'll get him his own stuffed toys. Maybe then he'll leave the bears alone. If they weren't special bears from my husband, I'd probably let him have them.

[Bowwowmeow]

Get him some stuffed toys, and put them in your bed for a few nights, so they smell like you. He will find that very comforting. You are lucky he doesn't rip the stuffing out. Mine can't have stuffed toys for that reason..

[BabaGhannooj]

We went up to Wal-Mart and got him some cheap stuffed toys. When we got home he had THREE of my bears!! He LOVES his new dog bear. He even took it outside with him. So far it's still in one piece. I saw him grab one of my bears again, so we took it away and showed him HIS bear. If I HAVE to, I'll move my bears, but the bear shelf doesn't really go well in the other room... We got him 3 new stuffed toys, so he gets one now and the others when he gets bored with the bear.

So what's up with the Bitter Apple not working!!!??

[Bowwowmeow]

Somebody brought some of that spray to the dog park once, to keep dogs from eating grass and mud. When his dog tried to eat the mud and grass, he sprayed it on the spot, which made his dog go away, but one of mine, who hadn't been eating plain grass or mud, started eating the sprayed grass. Some dogs just like it. :confused: :dizzy:

[BabaGhannooj]

Yeah, just my luck I have a dog that doesn't mind the taste! At least I didn't buy the stuff and waste my money!

When we were given the Bitter Apple, we also got Puppy Training Aid stuff. You're supposed to put a few drops where you want your dog to pee. We're going out for the day tomorrow for the first time since we got Bajor. I'm putting newspapers out and putting the drops on the paper. Hopefully he'll go on the paper and not the floor--I don't think he'll be able to hold it all day. With my luck it'll repel him and he'll pee all over the carpet. I'm a little worried about what he might do, being home alone all day.

[Bubbles]

You have to pee on the paper to set an example!

[BabaGhannooj]

You have to pee on the paper to set an example!:agree:
If I knew that would work, I'd do it!:D

[Bowwowmeow]

Pet Poison Safety: Products Sweetened with Xylitol Can Be Toxic To Dogs

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The ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center (APCC) has issued a warning to pet owners that xylitol, a sweetener found in many sugar-free products, can cause serious problems for companion canines.
“Last year, we managed more than 170 cases involving xylitol,” says the APCC’s Dana Farbman, CVT. “This is a significant increase from 2004, when we managed about 70.” And in the first half of 2006, toxicologists have already handled 114 cases. “It’s difficult to say why there’s such an increase,” says Farbman. “Xylitol products are relatively new to the United States marketplace, so one possibility may be an increase in availability.”
Dogs ingesting significant amounts of items sweetened with xylitol could develop a fairly sudden drop in blood sugar, resulting in depression, loss of coordination and seizures. Signs can develop quite rapidly, sometimes less than half an hour after ingestion.
It was previously thought that only large concentrations of xylitol resulted in problems—but new data is beginning to disprove this. “We seem to be learning new information with each case we manage,” says APCC veterinary toxicologist Dr. Eric Dunayer. “We also have begun to see problems developing from ingestions of products with lesser amounts of this sweetener.”
APCC experts urge pet owners to keep candy, gum and other foods containing xylitol out of their animals’ reach. If you suspect that your pet has ingested products sweetened with xylitol—or any other potentially dangerous substance—call your veterinarian or the APCC's emergency hotline at (888) 426-4435 for round-the-clock telephone assistance. For more pet poison prevention tips, please visit APCC online (http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pro_apcc).

[Soynut]

Good to know, thank you.

[Keykeypie]

REUTERS

NEW YORK (Sept. 30) - Keep those sugarless treats out of Fido's reach. Veterinarians warned on Friday that a commonly used sweetener might cause liver failure in dogs, and perhaps even kill them.

Researchers said for dogs, ingesting even a small amount of xylitol, found in many sugar-free foods, can trigger significant insulin release, which drops their blood sugar and can be fatal.

Their report in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association appears to strengthen the suspected link between the sugar substitute xylitol, thought to make dogs sick, and possible liver failure.

Xylitol, a naturally occurring product, is found in many sugar-free chewing gums, candies, baked goods and toothpastes.

Researchers Sharon Gwaltney-Brant and Eric Dunayer with staff at a poison unit of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in Urbana, Illinois, gathered information on eight dogs treated between 2003 and 2005 after eating products containing xylitol.

Each dog became ill, and five died or had to be put down because of liver failure, possibly from ingesting xylitol.

One dog who had to be euthanized had eaten four large, chocolate-frosted muffins containing about 1 pound of xylitol.

"People don't think sugar-free gum can kill their dog. I didn't before I got into this. But this is something people should be aware of," Gwaltney-Brant, who co-authored the study with Dunayer, said in a statement.

Gwaltney-Brant said for dogs, ingesting even a small amount of xylitol can trigger significant insulin release, which drops their blood sugar and can be fatal.

"A 22-pound dog who consumes one gram of xylitol should be treated," she said, adding that further studies were needed to definitely establish a cause-and-effect relationship.

[Fauxmage]

Thanks for posting this Keykeypie. Xylitol is thought of as a relatively safe artificial sweetener, so its good to know this.

[1vegan]

Thanks for posting this Keykeypie. Xylitol is thought of as a relatively safe artificial sweetener, so its good to know this.

I was just about to post the same, maybe Xylitol should be named in the title? :)

[my3labs]

Thanks keykeypie! I'm always looking out for my pups.

[paul]

thanks for the info, a rescue dogs ment to be turning up here in the next few days.

[my3labs]

Are you getting a new doggy Paul?

[paul]

the friends i live with are, a 3 legged border collie, but im the one who shall be going out walking him all the time.

[my3labs]

the friends i live with are, a 3 legged border collie, but im the one who shall be going out walking him all the time.

Sweet!!! What's his name?

[paul]

his name is treacle:rubchin: i went to the rescue yesterday with my friends, to see him , they went the other day as well , a loverly dog, we made friends straight away,

[dreamer]

I know I mentioned this before, but I'm starting to feel really guilty about feeding my companion animals meat:( I have read up on how many problems it can cause and, at this point, haven't changed their diet from meat...However, I just got done reading my recent Farm Sanctuary news letter and I just felt so down about my part in animal suffering...I guess I'm just venting:sorry:

[thevegantwins]

I know I mentioned this before, but I'm starting to feel really guilty about feeding my companion animals meat:( I have read up on how many problems it can cause and, at this point, haven't changed their diet from meat...However, I just got done reading my recent Farm Sanctuary news letter and I just felt so down about my part in animal suffering...I guess I'm just venting:sorry:
I know the feeling, dreamer. I've been conflicted about this for years. I was heavily attacked on another board for feeding my cat dead animal but I've read too many horror stories about health issues developing in cats due to a vegan diet. I know there are many people who have vegan cats and say they are fine but that doesn't prove it's healthy for them. I've talked this over with my vegan coworker. She's been vegan for about 25 years and she's had many, many rescued animals as well as being an AR activist for those years. She does not feed her cats vegan cat food. She's spoken to vegan vets who are against it and one of her cats did die when she tried to feed them a healthy, whole-food diet under a vet's supervision.

That said, I still feel like crap every time I open the can. :(

[paul]

dreamer and tvt, i have felt guilty a long time ago about feeding companion animals meat, i dont anymore, im sorry you have been attacked about the way you feed your cats.in the end i use to feed them orgainc meat etc. ive been lucky that a lot of the animals iv rescued have been veggi, ie budgies etc.
please dont feel crap the way you feed your animals, what could you do let your cats fed them selfs, catching birds, mice, rats etc. now im just waffling on and talking rubbish.

[dreamer]

dreamer and tvt, i have felt guilty a long time ago about feeding companion animals meat, i dont anymore, im sorry you have been attacked about the way you feed your cats.in the end i use to feed them orgainc meat etc. ive been lucky that a lot of the animals iv rescued have been veggi, ie budgies etc.
please dont feel crap the way you feed your animals, what could you do let your cats fed them selfs, catching birds, mice, rats etc. now im just waffling on and talking rubbish.
Thanks paul, I didn't find it rubbish at all:)

[maddie]

I've had vegan cats and a vegan dog for years and they are extremely healthy. I've read many, many reports of healthy vegan animals and only a few bad stories that may not have been related to diet at all. I've known people who raised cats and dogs from birth to death on nothing but a vegan diet and they lived long, healthy lives with what seems like a much better quality of life in their elder years. Since, I've had my cats and dog on a vegan diet for years and every vet visit is positive, they've not had one problem, only great health. Think of it this way, an animal gets his nutrients from the ground, right? Then, your animal eats that animal and gets the recycled nutrients, right? Well, why not cut out the middle man and get straight from the source nutrients? I heard someone else say this and I'll repeat it: "If my cats and dogs could not survive on a vegan diet, they would be dead by now"....................I agree.


:doggy: :dancecat: btw: I just had my dogs coat and my cats sweaters embroidered with VEGAN on it, they so deserve it!!!

[maddie]

This is common sense stuff, but I thought I'd share!


The arrival of Halloween means parties, trick-or-treaters, and lots of
delicious candies. However, some of the same goodies and decorations we
humans are so fond of can be potentially hazardous to our pets. P.A.W.
would like to call your attention to some common-sense cautions that'll
keep your furry friends safe and stress-free this time of year.
There'll be no scaredy cats-or dogs-this October 31!

TOP 10 HALLOWEEN SAFETY TIPS FOR PET PARENTS

1. No tricks, no treats: That bowlful of candy is for
trick-or-treaters, not for Scruffy and Fluffy. Chocolate in all forms can be very
dangerous for dogs and cats, and tin foil and cellophane candy wrappers can
be hazardous if swallowed. If you suspect your pet has ingested a
potentially dangerous substance, please call your veterinarian or the ASPCA
Animal Poison Control Center at (888) 426-4435.

2. Popular Halloween plants such as pumpkins and decorative corn are
considered to be relatively nontoxic, yet they can produce
gastrointestinal upset should pets ingest them. Intestinal blockage could even occur
if large pieces are ingested.
(Many dogs and cats like pureed pumpkin)!!!

3. Keep wires and cords from electric lights and other decorations out
of reach of your pets. If chewed, your pet could experience damage to
his mouth from shards of glass or plastic, or receive a possibly
life-threatening electrical shock.

4. A carved pumpkin certainly is festive, but do exercise extreme
caution if you choose to add a candle. Pets can easily knock a lit pumpkin
over and cause a fire. Curious kittens especially run the risk of
getting burned or singed by candle flames.

5. Dress-up can be a big mess-up for some pets. Please don't put your
dog or cat in a costume UNLESS you know he or she loves it (yup, a few
pets are real hams!). For pets who prefer their "birthday suits,"
however, wearing a costume can cause undue stress.

6. If you do dress up your pet, make sure the costume isn't annoying or
unsafe. It should not constrict the animal's movement or hearing, or
impede his ability to breathe or bark. Keep a look out for small,
dangling, or easily chewed-off pieces on the costume that your pet could choke
on.

7. Take a closer look at your pet's costume and make sure it does not
obstruct her vision in any way. Even the sweetest animals can get snappy
when they can't see.

8. All but the most social dogs and cats should be kept in a separate
room during peak trick-or-treat visiting hours. Too many strangers can
be scary and stressful for pets.

9. When opening the door for trick-or-treaters, take care that your cat
or dog doesn't dart outside.

10. IDs, please! Always make sure your dog or cat has proper
identification. If for any reason your pet escapes and become lost, a collar and
tags increase the chances that he or she will be
returned to you.

Please remember keep your pets safe, if you suspect that your pet has
ingested a potentially dangerous substance-around Halloween or any time
of year-please call your veterinarian or the ASPCA Animal Poison
Control Center at (888) 426-4435.


Thank you

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[Fauxmage]

Also, anyone with outdoor animals needs to keep them inside on Halloween, because there are sick people roaming around who will hurt them for stupid, "Satanic" reasons. Its rare, but it happens, especially to black cats. :( :mad:

[maddie]

Also, anyone with outdoor animals needs to keep them inside on Halloween, because there are sick people roaming around who will hurt them for stupid, "Satanic" reasons. Its rare, but it happens, especially to black cats. :( :mad:


Great suggestion Fauxmage!!! I can't imagine anyone here that would keep their cats/dogs outside, but it's a great suggestion just in case. :)

I wanted to add my dog's favorite cookie recipe. I'm going to make sure he has extra treats of his own so he doesn't feel left out of the candy party!

Vegan Doggie Pumpkin Cookies
2 cups organic whole wheat flour
1/4 cup organic corn meal
1 T olive oil
1/4 cup organic applesauce
1/4 cup canned pumpkin
1 t cinnamon
1/2 cup + 1 T water

Just mix and scoop out with a (soy) ice cream scooper, put on baking sheet, press with a fork and cook at 350 degrees for about 20-30 minutes, or longer if your dog likes extra crunchy!

My dog goes crazy for these, they are his absolute favorite cookies!!! They are very healthy and the pumpkin is loaded in fiber to help them stay 'regular'. :lol:

:thumbsup: :chef: :thumbsup:

[Gliondrach]

They sound nice. Do you like them?

[maddie]

They sound nice. Do you like them?

Yes, I usually make a double batch and add raisins and almonds to mine. You could add a tablespoon of barley malt for a sweeter cookie. You can also double the pumpkin and leave out the applesauce or vice versa if you don't like pumpkin or applesauce. :)

[Gliondrach]

I would like to try making them but my oven doesn't work. I built a brick oven in the sitting room and lit a fire in it but I forgot to build a floor in it and it set fire to the floorboards.

Actually, speaking of safety tips for aminals - it will soon be Bonfire Night here. That is the 5th of November. Lots of fireworks and loud explosions. Dogs and cats are terrified. Birds that have settled down to roost are disturbed and they fly around in panic. Babies are scared. Some of the 'air bombs' are so loud that windows rattle. It is ridiculous having such loud explosives as part of a celebration. People have to keep their dogs and cats in. Sometimes scum will tie fireworks to animals for a laugh.

[dreamer]

I'm sure I could do better, but one reason I'm VERY reluctant to try to switch my cat to vegan is because she's already had urinary tract problems with a meat diet, which is one of the problems feeding a vegan diet can lead to even in previously healthy cats. Since she's already shown that tendency, I'm not convinced that putting her on a diet that may exaserbate it is a good idea, even though I feel bad about my part in animal deaths. Like Bowwowmeow said earlier, sometimes you just have to do what you feel is best, even when you don't feel completely comfortable with it:(

I am glad that you have had a good experience turning your animals vegan, maddie:)

[Bowwowmeow]

THANKSGIVING SAFETY TIP: BREAD DOUGH'S A NO-NO FOR DOGS AND CATS

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There'll be many cooks in the kitchen next Thursday—but don't spoil your pet by giving him bread dough. According to veterinarians at the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center (APCC), when bread dough is ingested, an animal's body heat causes the dough to rise in the stomach. As alcohol is produced during the rising process, the dough expands. Pets who've eaten bread dough may experience abdominal pain, bloat, vomiting, disorientation and depression.
Take the case of the Labrador retriever who ingested several rolls that his pet parent had placed on the oven to rise. The owner didn't think much of this, and was more upset that the dog ate part of the holiday feast. But a few hours later, the owner noticed that the dog looked very lethargic. It wasn't long before the canine was reluctant to move and was retching.
As the symptoms intensified, the owner brought him to an emergency clinic, which contacted the APCC. Unfortunately, the dog's stomach was so severely distended that the only option at the time was to surgically remove the dough; he was also treated for alcohol toxicosis, caused by fermentation of the dough. The Labrador was kept at the clinic for the weekend and recovered completely.
Although this dog had ingested quite a bit of dough, an animal needs to eat only a small amount to cause a problem, because bread dough can rise to many times its size. Take care not to let Fluffy or Fido in the kitchen unsupervised when you're baking this holiday season—especially if you've got a professional chowhound who's always on the lookout for food.
In addition to offering poison prevention tips online (http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pro_apcc), the APCC also runs an emergency hotline—(888) 426-4435—that provides round-the-clock telephone assistance.
It doesn't seem entirely clear from the article, but live yeast is dangerous to consume in any form, not just bread dough, and it is dangerous for everyone, not just dogs and cats.

[Oracl]

Interesting how often it is Labradors that feature in doggy food stories! :doggygrin: ;) :D

[Bowwowmeow]

ATTENTION, PET OWNERS! DECK THE HALLS—BUT DO IT SAFELY, PLEASE

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For many of us, 'tis the season to decorate our homes with live Christmas trees and holiday greenery. But did you know that some of these yuletide traditions can be hazardous to your pet’s health?
* Lovely lilies are commonly used in holiday floral arrangements, but many varieties—including Tiger, Asian, Japanese Show, Stargazer and the Casa Blanca—can cause kidney failure in cats if ingested.
* Bag the boughs of holly and live mistletoe. Sure, they add a nice touch to your holiday décor, but holly can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and lethargy if eaten by your pet. And should he sample mistletoe, he could suffer gastrointestinal upset and cardiovascular problems. Opt for just-as-jolly artificial plants made from silk or plastic.
* Christmas tree water may contain fertilizers that can cause stomach upset. Stagnant tree water is a breeding ground for bacteria—and your pet could end up with nausea or diarrhea should he imbibe.
* Although the potential toxicity of poinsettias is generally overstated, these showy holiday plants can irritate your pet’s mouth, and may cause nausea and/or mild vomiting.
If you suspect that your animal companion has eaten a potentially toxic substance, call your veterinarian or the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center’s emergency hotline at (888) 426-4435 for round-the-clock telephone assistance. For more poison prevention tips, please visit ASPCA online (http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pro_apcc).

[Gliondrach]

And there's always the danger that they might bite through the cable when it's plugged in.

[Bowwowmeow]

PET HEALTH ALERT: NO SWEETS FOR THE SWEET THIS HOLIDAY SEASON

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For many people, overindulging in holiday goodies may result in a few extra pounds—but the consequences for our animal companions are much greater if they accidentally ingest cookies, candy or baked goods containing chocolate. In any form ranging from one-ounce baking squares to hand-dipped truffles, chocolate contains theobromine and caffeine, both methylxanthines that can cause stimulation of the central nervous system, an increase in heart rate and tremors. Clinical signs—vomiting, diarrhea, seizures, hyperactivity, and increased thirst, urination and heart rate—can be seen with the ingestion of as little as two ounces of baking chocolate by a 10-pound dog.
And while sugar-free sweets may be a healthier choice for you, gum or candies made with xylitol can make your pets ill. Dogs who’ve ingested significant amounts may develop a sudden drop in blood sugar, resulting in depression, loss of coordination and seizures. Data from the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center also appears to point to a link between xylitol ingestion and liver failure in dogs.
Please take care this holiday season to keep all candy out of your pets' reach—and don't let them in the kitchen unsupervised if you’re baking with chocolate. If you suspect your pet may have eaten chocolate, candies containing xylitol, or any other potentially poisonous substance, call your veterinarian or the APCC's emergency hotline at (888) 426-4435 for round-the-clock telephone assistance. For more information on poison prevention, visit APCC online (http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pro_apcc).

[Bowwowmeow]

PET POISON ALERT: LIQUID POTPOURRI PACKS A PAINFUL PUNCH

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Want a fresh and fragrant home? Before setting out that delicious-smelling potpourri simmer pot, please take heed. Many liquid potpourris contain essential oils and detergents that could prove hazardous to your furry companions, based on an analysis of calls to the ASPCA’s Animal Poison Control Center.
According to the ASPCA’s Dr. Steven Hansen, veterinary toxicologist and senior vice president, the essential oils found in many of these products can cause irritation of the skin, gastrointestinal tract and mucous membranes. More significant injuries are typically a result of thermal burns or exposure to a specific type of detergent. Says Hansen, “A class of detergents known as cationics is usually responsible for severe ulceration of the membranes of the mouth, throat and gastrointestinal tract. Where there is contact with the skin, redness, swelling and extremely painful lesions can appear.” Symptoms of these exposures include drooling, vomiting, depression, metabolic disturbances and difficulty breathing from fluid on the lungs.
Although 10 percent of the liquid potpourri poisoning cases managed by the ASPCA since 2001 have included life-threatening effects, most animals make a full recovery if treated promptly. “However, it is important to note that treatment can be very extensive and may involve a lengthy hospitalization,” says Hansen.
And feline caretakers, please take note—cats are more likely to be at risk than dogs. “This is most likely because cats have greater access to the simmer pots, which are usually kept on countertops or other high-level surfaces,” explains Hansen. Most exposures occur when cats lap up heated liquid from the simmer pot, or when liquid spills on their fur from a leaky container.
To avoid exposing your pet to the dangers of liquid potpourri, ASPCA experts offer the following tips:
- Place potpourri simmer pots and unused liquid in rooms where pets cannot gain access.
- Consider using relatively safer alternatives, such as plug-in or solid air fresheners. (Do take care to use these in out-of-reach locations as well.)
- If you suspect your pet has been exposed to liquid potpourri, please call your veterinarian or the APCC's emergency hotline at (888) 426-4435 for round-the-clock telephone assistance.
For more information on poison prevention, visit APCC online (http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pro_apcc).

[Keykeypie]

My poor Charlene isn't feeling very well today.....I can just tell from the way
she looks at me & she wasn't all excited about her walk like she ususlly is.

All my fault. Although I know onions & spicy stuff is not good for dogs
I made some chilli [very spicy] and let her lick the pot.....it wasn't much
and there were no pieces of onion but still.....I guess even a little is not good.

But you know how it is......I mean she always gets to lick pans/dishes
& stuff and she was watching me and got so concerned & all when she saw
me go to put it in the sink without letting her give it the once over first.....so I caved.

Next time......I'll know better.:(

[thevegantwins]

Ok, I won't yell at you for giving in to those soulful eyes since you feel bad enough. I hope she feels better soon. I have a crick in my neck because Felíne was on top of my head last night in bed and I didn't want to move her because she was so comfortable and now my neck hurts because I was sleeping in an uncomfortable position.

[Gliondrach]

Good marks for TVT but bad marks for Keykeypie. When you next make something that Charlene mustn't eat, Keykeypie, why not have a dish with something in that she can lick to substitute for the dish she can't lick?

[Keykeypie]

That's exactly what I'll do......a little side dish of chilli without onions & spices
should be just fine:agree:

Thanks......good plan!

[Gliondrach]

It's a cunning plan.

[Bowwowmeow]

My poor Charlene isn't feeling very well today.....I can just tell from the way
she looks at me & she wasn't all excited about her walk like she ususlly is.

All my fault. Although I know onions & spicy stuff is not good for dogs
I made some chilli [very spicy] and let her lick the pot.....it wasn't much
and there were no pieces of onion but still.....I guess even a little is not good.

But you know how it is......I mean she always gets to lick pans/dishes
& stuff and she was watching me and got so concerned & all when she saw
me go to put it in the sink without letting her give it the once over first.....so I caved.

Next time......I'll know better.:( Hmm, keep an eye on her Keykey. My dogs used to steal jalapeno peppers right off the plants in the garden, and they never got sick. Onions cause blood vessel damage, which would not necessarily result in visible symptoms of unwellness, and it doesn't seem like Charlene got enough from licking the pot to make her feel that bad. But it is a good idea not to let her lick certain things that you make.

I hope she feels better soon. :smallheart:

[Gliondrach]

Is Charlene feeling better?

[Charmagne]

I, too, hope she feels better. Let us know how she is tomorrow ok?

[Keykeypie]

Thanks so much everyone......yes, she's back to her old self. :doggygrin:
I can tell you, I won't make that mistake again.:dunce:

[paul]

glad she's back to her old self

[Oracl]

Good news, Keykeypie! :agree: :thumbsup:

[Gliondrach]

I'm sure Charlene doesn't bear Keykeypie any grudges for giving her belly ache.

[Charmagne]

I'm glad she's better!!:)

That reminds me of my dog that died about a year and a half ago now. He was 19. When he was about two years old my boyfriend had bought me a valentine shaped box of candy (before vegan days). I had another smaller dog also. But Roni (the one I lost) could jump like a rabbit. I went to work one day and left the unopened box of candy on the kitchen table. Mind you it was unopened and still wrapped in cellophane. When I got home the box was open and empty on the carpet. Roni had jumped up on the table and apparently pushed the box off onto the floor where he worked on it until he opened it and the two of them ate the WHOLE BOX. There were little spots of chocolate on the carpet. He must of been very determined as I am sure it was not easy for a dog to remove the cellophane and open the box!!

I didn't know how dangerous chocolate was for dogs 20 years ago but neither one of them ever got the least bit sick. I don't even think vets knew 20 years ago how dangerous it is. The only thing I can figure is that it was mostly milk chocolate with different centers as to why they didn't get sick.

He was always into something. He also swallowed one of my diamond stud earrings. I waited until the next afternoon and sure enough I retrieved it myself.

He was so funny - I still miss him!!:)

[Gliondrach]

That's a nice memory. We always miss our loved ones. He probably comes back to see you. Especially when you have chocolate.

[Oracl]

19 is a remarkable age for a dog. :) You must have looked after him really well. :agree:

[Charmagne]

Thank you Oracl - I like to think so. I've had dogs live to be 19, 16, 16 and 12.:agree:

[Keykeypie]

Hi,
this lady I work with swears she'll go vegan if I can solve her dog's barking problem in a humane way of course.
Here's the thing....she doesn't want to stop her barking when she's not at home but the thing is....when she's home, she's usually working and on the phone with customers....and she can't be putting them on hold because
she's dealing with people like me, who are in a rush too.....
Anyway......she asked about some kind of whistle......she would never consider any of those shock collars.....and I'm sure she's right about that.
She says her dog barks at every sound.....everybody that passes by the window.....etc......it's a little Pomeranian type dog......looks a lot like Charmagne's little dog
Any suggestions........????

[Keykeypie]

Bump.....i'm hoping BWM sees this and has some tips

[Charmagne]

I hope she can help you also. Foxy is a pomeranian but I don't have any trouble with her barking when I'm home although I do hear her when I drive up.

[Gliondrach]

An interesting explanation here but I don't know if the suggested method is appropriate for the dog in question:

http://www.priory.com/vet/vetbark1.htm

This one seems better because the woman wants the barking to stop when she is at home, and she can use this when she is at home and not use it when she's not at home:

http://www.clickersolutions.com/articles/2001b/citronella.htm

[Keykeypie]

An interesting explanation here but I don't know if the suggested method is appropriate for the dog in question:

http://www.priory.com/vet/vetbark1.htm

This one seems better because the woman wants the barking to stop when she is at home, and she can use this when she is at home and not use it when she's not at home:

http://www.clickersolutions.com/articles/2001b/citronella.htm

Thank you....the first one seems good too.....it says:

Believe it or not, one of the simplest ways to teach a dog not to bark is to teach it to bark on command. First, find a way of enticing your dog to bark. You may find it will bark out of excitement if you hold its food bowl up in the air, or you may only need to use a titbit, or a toy. Tying your dog up safely may also increase frustration, and stimulate it to be vocal. When, with a bit of friendly teasing, your dog does bark, praise it and repeat the word 'speak!'. If you do the exercise often enough, your dog will associate the word 'speak' with the act of barking and you will be able to get it to bark on command. The point of the exercise is then to introduce the word, 'quiet!' or 'stop!' while your dog is barking, and give it a toy or food treat. If the exercise is repeated often enough, your dog will associate the signal to be quiet with the cessation of barking and a reward.

Reward is, of course, the best motivation of behaviour, so it's important to praise the dog at the time it's doing the right thing, not afterwards. This means rewarding it when it stops barking, and also when it doesn't bark in a situation which would normally set it off. When your dog is lying quietly and allowing you to chat to visitors unmolested, or when your neighbours come home and your dog doesn't bark, you can praise and reward it, which will encourage the dog to remain quiet the next time too.

I'll pass that along to her......:wave:

[paul]

An interesting explanation here but I don't know if the suggested method is appropriate for the dog in question:

http://www.priory.com/vet/vetbark1.htm

This one seems better because the woman wants the barking to stop when she is at home, and she can use this when she is at home and not use it when she's not at home:

http://www.clickersolutions.com/articles/2001b/citronella.htm


the first one seams the best way to me,
im sure BWM will have a idea or two:agree:

[Bowwowmeow]

I'm afraid I've not much to add, besides the advice you've already found, Keykey, about teaching the dog to bark on command. This has to be done very carefully, though, because an intelligent dog will learn to work this to her advantage, and bark whenever she wants a reward, rather than waiting for the command. I care for several dogs who were trained in this way, and though barking is not one of the things they were taught to do, they will sit and try to shake hands without being asked if they see dog cookies coming out of the cupboard!
There are schools of thought on postivie reinforcement only, which are nice in theory, but again, intelligent dogs learn to get around this type of training very easily. Negative reinforcement techniques do work, such as shaking an empty can full of rocks, if the dog doesn't like noise, spraying water with a squirt gun if the dog doesn't like to be wet, or squirting lemon juice from a plastic lemon into her mouth (this works great at breaking up a dog fight, without getting hurt yourself!). It all depends on the dog. People do best when they understand their own dogs, and learn of as many different training methods as possible, to find one that will work for their particular dog. Good Luck!

[Keykeypie]

Thanks BWM........I have a feeling it won't be easy because this doggy is 10
years old and always barked and Michelle didn't really care. Now she's just moved to a new house and has this one neighbor who complains. It's in Florida
so I guess people have their windows open this time of year.

I don't know if she was serious about going vegan......maybe.....maybe
she will anyway.

I told her my dogs never bark because they're vegan...:rofl:

[KRITER]

My dogs bark wen sumthing is diferent or sumbody is cuming up the hill (wich happened twice last year and not atall this year yet).Anyway thats not why Im posting.I need help rite bad.My dogs will be 2 years old cum August 1st.Every since they was about 4 months old they been sheding year round.They mostly outside.Its hard to rasle with them cuz thay shed so bad.I get thair hair in my eyes and nose and throat and alover the rest of me too.This reely suks cuz Im not rolling round on the ground with them as much cuz of it.So any yall got any ideas or kno any magic thatll help.My youngest cat is the same way.I tryd sum oily sumthing I got at a fancy pet store in a big city I visited.Dogs like it but it didnt help,cat hated and it didnt help.
Any help?

[paul]

grooming every day might help, once there coats are under control it wont need doing every day. gud luck, im sure someone here will be able to give you a better answer.

[Fauxmage]

Omega 3 fatty acids, and antioxidants, are supposed to prolong the life of the hair follicles, which is supposed to reduce shedding. I wonder if that oil you got had those things in it.

I think brushing is the only thing you can do. Even cats benefit from brushing, although they do groom themselves. But some cats shed more than others, and are more prone to hairballs because of this, and so would be better off if helped.

Or, if the dogs have very long hair, you can get it to form dreadlocks, like the puli or the komondor.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/lauralb/Animals/puli_03a.jpg
Puli. They are very small, about 20 to 30 pounds, I think.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/lauralb/Animals/Komondor.jpg
Komondor. They are very large, 70 to 80 pounds, I would guess.

[KRITER]

I reckon thay medium size, 35 to 55 pounds, and have hair like a lab and a shepard.Thay not going bald.I dont kno if that oil I giv them had fatty acids in it.It mite hav.
Thank yall.

[Gliondrach]

I can't find a thread for this. I saw these links on another site:

This is about the various poisons, such as medicines and plants, that can harm your dogs,cats or other beasties:

http://www.pharmacy.arizona.edu/outreach/poison/pets.php



This is about the dangers of ibuprofen (also called nurofen) to dogs, cats and ferrets.

http://www.aspca.org/site/DocServer/toxbrief_0704.pdf?docID=2383.

[Bowwowmeow]

Here is a sad story of grape/raisin poisoning in a dog:

Dogs And Raisins..........

This week I had the first case in history of raisin toxicity
ever seen at MedVet. My patient was a 56-pound, 5 yr old male neutered
lab mix that ate half a canister of raisins sometime between 7:30 AM
and 4:30 PM on Tuesday. He started with vomiting, diarrhea and
shaking about 1AM on Wednesday but the owner didn't call my emergency
service until 7AM.

I had heard somewhere about raisins AND grapes causing acute
Renal failure but hadn't seen any formal paper on the subject. We had
her bring the dog in immediately. In the meantime, I called the ER
service at MedVet, and the doctor there was like me - had heard
something about it, but.... Anyway, we contacted the ASPCA National
Animal Poison Control Center and they said to give IV fluids at 1 ½
times maintenance and watch the kidney values for the next 48-72 hours.

The dog's BUN (blood urea nitrogen level) was already at 32
(normal less than 27) and creatinine over 5 (1.9 is the high end of
normal). Both are monitors of kidney function in the bloodstream. We
placed an IV catheter and started the fluids. Rechecked the renal
values at 5 PM and the BUN was over 40 and creatinine over 7 with no
urine production after a liter of fluids. At the point I felt the dog
was in acute renal failure and sent him on to MedVet for a urinary
catheter to monitor urine output overnight as well as overnight care.

He started vomiting again overnight at MedVet and his renal
values have continued to incr ease daily. He produced urine when given
lasix as a diuretic. He was on 3 different anti-vomiting medications
and they still couldn't control his vomiting. Today his urine output
decreased again, his BUN was over 120, his creatinine was at 10, his
phosphorus was very elevated and his blood pressure, which had been
staying around 150, skyrocketed to 220.. He continued to vomit and the
owners elected to euthanize.

This is a very sad case - great dog, great owners who had no
idea raisins could be a toxin. Please alert everyone you know who has
a dog of this very serious risk. Poison control said as few as 7
raisins or grapes could be toxic. Many people I know give their dogs
grapes or raisins as treats including our ex-handler's. Any exposure
should give rise to immediate concern.

Laurinda Morris, DVM Danville Veterinary Clinic Danville , Ohio

Even if you don't have a dog, you might have friends who do.
This is worth passing on to them.

[my3labs]

Thanks for the reminder BWM.

[Charmagne]

BWM - are you here? Prissy just got stung by a bee on her foot pad. I can't see the stinger - even used a magnifying glass. I gave her Benadryl and am applying ice. Is there anything else I can do or should watch for? None of my babies have been stung before.:no:

[Bowwowmeow]

Perhaps it was a yellowjacket or other kind of wasp that doesn't leave a stinger in? Did you see the insect when it happened?
The Benadryl is a good idea, and watch for any swelling around her face, or breathing difficulties, that would indicate anaphylactic shock. Be ready to take her to the emergency vet if you see any signs of this. Hopefully you won't.
*Good thoughts on their way NOW* :hug:

[Charmagne]

I think it might of been a small wasp. There is a nest around back where we were. I saw it flying close to the ground although not clearly as it is getting dark. I didn't see it bite her - the rest of us came in and I couldn't find her and she was sitting in the hall shaking and licking her paw. She hasn't stopped licking except when I apply the ice. Thanks for the good thoughts - I sure hope she doesn't have a reaction!:crossfingers:

[Bowwowmeow]

Poor Prissy. I've been stung by both a bee, and a jellowjacket, and although the yellowjacket didn't leave his stinger in, it was a lot more painful than the bee sting was.

I doubt that you have any meat tenderizer, but that is supposed to do something to the venom if you pack the sting with it, if I recall properly. Its a good thing to keep as a first aid item, rather than a condiment. But don't rush out and buy any, since my memory is a little hazy about exactly what its good for. I'm going to do a little research on it, and see what I can find.

Keep an eye on Prissy for the next few hours. The reaction could be delayed, but since this is her first sting, and she hasn't swollen up yet, she'll probably be ok. Its usually repeated, multiple stings that sensitize people to further stings.

[Bowwowmeow]

Here's a list of what you need in a first aid kit, and it does mention meat tenderizer for insect bites:
Your First Aid Kit
Everyone should have a well-stocked first aid kit handy at home, in the car and in the workplace.
The contents of your kit will vary depending upon the number of people it is designed to protect as well as special circumstances where it will be used.
For example, a first aid kit in a factory where there may be danger of flying debris getting into the eye should certainly have a sterile eyewash solution in its kit. If a family member is a known diabetic, your kit at home should have a glucose or sugar solution.
When assembling your first aid kit, whether for use in the home, car or at work, you should consider possible injuries you are likely to encounter and then select kit contents to treat those conditions.
It's also important to check your kit periodically to restock items that have been used and to replace items that are out-of-date.
It's also advisable at home and at work to have both a stationary kit, stored in a cabinet or drawer, as well as a compact portable kit that can be taken quickly to the site of an emergency.
Recommended Contents for a First Aid Kit
[Modify to suit your particular needs]
Activated Charcoal (for poisoning emergencies)
Adhesive strip bandages - assorted sizes
Adhesive tape
Alcohol - rubbing 70%
Alcohol wipes
Antacid
Antibiotic ointment
Baking soda
Calamine lotion
Chemical ice packs
Chemical hot packs
Cotton balls
Cotton swabs
Decongestant tablets & spray
Diarrhea medication
Disposable latex or vinyl gloves
Elastic bandages
Face mask for CPR
First aid guide
Flashlight
Gauze pads - various sizes
Hot-water bottle
Household ammonia
Hydrocortisone cream .5%
Hydrogen Peroxide
Hypoallergenic tape
Ice bag
Insect repellent
Insect sting swabs
Matches
Meat tenderizer (for insect bites)
Moleskin
Needles
Non-adhering dressings [Telfa]
Oil of Cloves
Over-the-counter pain medication [aspirin]
Paper & pencil
Paper drinking cups
Roller guaze - self adhering
Safety pins
Salt
Scissors
Soap
Space blanket
Sam splint
Sugar or glucose solution
Syrup of Ipecac
Thermometer - oral & rectal
Tongue blades
Triangular bandages
Tweezers
Waterproof tapeHere's a little advice about bee stings:

Bee Stings
Relieve by applying a poultice of baking soda and water.
Apply a freshly-cut slice of raw onion to the sting to help draw out the poison. Hold the onion in place with tape.

[Bowwowmeow]

Here's more;
Meat Tenderizer and Vinegar for Stings

Posting Date: 08/19/2002
http://www.healthcentral.com/images/pp/articlephoto/home_19meat_vinegar.jpg
The meat tenderizer trick was our very first home remedy in the original edition of The People?s Pharmacy.* We stumbled across it in the Journal of the American Medical Association.**
Dr. Harry L. Arnold of the American Health Institute suggested mixing 1/4 teaspoon of tenderizer with 1 teaspoon of water to make a paste. Smearing this on a bee or wasp sting relieves the pain.
A variation was suggested by a lifeguard in Hawaii who had to deal with insect and jellyfish stings. He used a paste of meat tenderizer and vinegar and claimed it was magical.



I can't seem to find any ingredient listings for meat tenderizer, so I can't guarantee whether its vegan. I seem to recall that most of the meat tenderizers are made from papaya enzymes, but I would definitely read the label before I bought any.

[Charmagne]

She hasn't shown any signs of swelling or difficulty breathing so maybe she won't have a reaction. I put the baking soda paste on. I definately need to organize an emergency first aid kit. I probably have most of the things listed but they are spread everywhere.

Poor baby - it must be painful as she won't put any weight on it at all.

Thanks BWM for the information.

[Bowwowmeow]

You're always welcome! :)

[my3labs]

Any update on Prissy, Charmagne?

[Oracl]

Poor Prissy. :comfort:

[Gliondrach]

She'll be all right. Dogs are tough. Humans are weaklings in comparison with most other animals.

[Charmagne]

She's fine - although it took several hours before she would walk on the leg that was stung. I've never been stung so I really don't know how it feels but everyone says it is painful. I also found the little wasp dead on the kitchen floor underneath the table this morning. I guess she must of pulled it off with her mouth last night?

I tend to overreact when one of my babies gets hurt or is sick. I once rushed Foxy to the vet because she cried when she turned her head. She had a crick in her neck - she had just gotton up and had slept wrong I guess. They gave her muscle relaxers and she was fine.:rolleyes:

[Bowwowmeow]

I'm glad Prissy's ok! :smallheart:

[Charmagne]

Thanks BWM!:)

[Oracl]

Phew, panic over! :)

[Gliondrach]

She's a tough one.

[my3labs]

Ginger (our 7 year old) pulled up short while running for the ball today. She's putting some (not much) pressure on the leg but is limping badly. She has a vet appointment tomorrow morning and I'm pretty sure he's going to tell me that it's a pulled muscle. I'm not keen on drugs so I was wondering if anyone could recommend something holistic.

[paul]

Rest is always good, but not to much, you dont want the legs to stiffen.

[Bowwowmeow]

Arnica

[Gliondrach]

I've seen something called Petaprin, which is an anti-inflammatory and pain reliever. I don't know what's in it, though. The website didn't respond when I clicked on 'more information.

LB Petaprin is here!!! Exclusively for Large Breed Dogs...FREE SHIPPING!!! The signs and symptoms of joint PAIN and Arthritis...

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byvetsonly.com/


They also have this:

Stop Urinary Tract Infections Without Antibiotics...

BVO Approved UTI FREE is an effective homeopathic urinary tract care remedy for pets who suffer from chronic or acute UTI where antibiotics are not desired. If your pet is experiencing increased thirst, increased demand to urinate, has cloudy or bloody urine, consider UTI Free to help relieve symptoms and make your pet comfortable again. Always consult your veterinarian before trying any new


There are loads of herbal products for dogs and cats on other sites, but it is best to ask a vet about them in case they react with any medication or in case they can make an existing condition worse - such as liqourice with hypertension and liver problems.

[my3labs]

Arnica? I thought that was mostly for bruising? She didn't break anything and they're pretty sure it's a sprain. He prescribed some anti-inflammatory meds and she's on "bed rest", as much as we can make her stay still.
She's not happy because she didn't get to go to the field today. Also, she's gained 12 lbs since we were there last (two years ago). Bad mom & dad!!!

[my3labs]

Boy are we having pet issues. Now, our cat (who is 15) has started having what we think are seizures. A few days ago, his back legs started shaking and he peed himself. He did it again last night. He has an appt on Friday.

[Bowwowmeow]

Arnica? I thought that was mostly for bruising? She didn't break anything and they're pretty sure it's a sprain. He prescribed some anti-inflammatory meds and she's on "bed rest", as much as we can make her stay still.
She's not happy because she didn't get to go to the field today. Also, she's gained 12 lbs since we were there last (two years ago). Bad mom & dad!!!
Arnica is good for all kinds of trauma. Alistair told me that it even promotes the healing of old scars. I used it when I sprained my ankle last summer. I could feel the pain go away within moments of rubbing the gel into my foot, and I'm sure it reduced the swelling too.
I wish it worked that well on colds!

Boy are we having pet issues. Now, our cat (who is 15) has started having what we think are seizures. A few days ago, his back legs started shaking and he peed himself. He did it again last night. He has an appt on Friday.
:( I hope its not serious.

[my3labs]

I'm kind of freaking out now. I just did some research on the anti-inflammatory meds he put Ginger on and it's kind of scary:

usatoday.com/money/industries/health/drugs/2005-04-11-dog-pain-usat_x.htm

BWM, I'm thinking of trying Arnica first. Do you recommend a gel or pills?

[Bowwowmeow]

Both. I think the gel, cream, or ointment is more effective, and easier to find vegan versions of. Though I don't balk at giving animals the milk sugar pills if I can't get some other kind of extract for internal use.

[my3labs]

So, the gel, cream or ointment would just be rubbed onto the affected area?
I'm pissed at myself right now because I had purchased some Arnica cream a few weeks ago and now I can't find it.
I'm also pissed at myself for buying and even giving Ginger one of the pills that the doctor prescribed for her.

[Oracl]

Boy are we having pet issues. Now, our cat (who is 15) has started having what we think are seizures.
:sorry: :( :hug:

[Gliondrach]

I hope you cat is all right, Mylabs.

What did the vet say is causing Ginger's pain?

This has a list of pharmaceutical drugs used by vets for pain control, with their possible dangers.

And they have some links for managing pain in dogs at the bottom of the page.

lowchensaustralia.com/health/pain.htm

You just need to copy and past it into Good Search.

[paul]

All the best my3labs.

[my3labs]

What did the vet say is causing Ginger's pain?


The vet detected some sort of popping in the "wrist" portion of her leg. Today she seems to be doing much better. She's still limping but not nearly as badly as she was. I don't know if it was the one anti-inflammatory that I gave her or or the rest that we've forced upon her.

We're going to try the arnica for a few days and see how it goes. I took her on a tiny little walk, just to keep her moving a bit. She was really happy about that.
:hug: to you all for your thoughts and well wishes.

[Gliondrach]

Good for Ginger!

And good luck with the pussy cat tomorrow. Good thoughts on their way.

[thevegantwins]

:comfort: Good luck with the gang, my3labs. Shouldn't your member name actually be my3labsand1cat? :D

[dreamer]

I know what it's like to have furbaby worries...I hope everything goes well for you and your furbabies:crossfingers::colors:

[my3labs]

I took our cat to the vet this morning. He didn't detect anything abnormal just from examining him (ie: no detectable tumors, masses, etc). His weight is good, his eyes are clear so they took blood and we should know something on Monday.

[my3labs]

My dogs love carrot sticks! We've been feeding them a raw diet for awhile so I knew they would eat ground up carrots but I never thought of giving them big pieces. They absolutely go crazy for them!!
Does anyone know of any health benefits or risks of feeding dogs carrot sticks? I would think it would be good for their teeth.

[thevegantwins]

It turns their poop orange if they eat too many. :laugh:. My dog, Archie used to love carrot sticks dipped in peanut butter. His favorite snack.

[Bowwowmeow]

The only thing you need to be careful of is leaving the dogs alone with anything they can chew into chunks that may choke them, which includes carrots. Its always best to be nearby for as long as it takes them to finish off what they are chewing. But yeah, carrots are a great low cal chew treat for dogs!

[Gliondrach]

I took our cat to the vet this morning. He didn't detect anything abnormal just from examining him (ie: no detectable tumors, masses, etc). His weight is good, his eyes are clear so they took blood and we should know something on Monday.


That looks promising. What's the cat's name?

[my3labs]

His name is Fleegan. Kind of a strange name...it's evolved over the last 15 years.

Don't worry BWM, I won't even leave the house with the dryer on, and I typically go back into the house to make sure I unplugged my straightener (a bit OCD I'm afraid). I'm paranoid of something happening to them when I'm not around. I won't walk away from them while they're eating anything.

[my3labs]

Ginger's leg is not healing as quickly as I had hoped and I'm starting to question myself about not putting her on the anti inflammatories. She's definitely better than she was the first day but she's still limping pretty badly. She hurt herself last Monday so it's almost been a full week. She's acting normal, eating normal, and wants to play but she's still limping and we're trying to keep her off that leg. I've been doing the Arnica gel regularly.
How long does a sprain typically take to heal on it's own? Should I be doing ice/heat?

[Bowwowmeow]

One of my old customers, a black lab, used to hurt himself rather frequently that way. I don't know what kind of medication his Dad gave him, but he always went off our schedule for at least a week whenever he overdid things and went a bit lame in his front leg. I don't think he ever got a real sprain. Sprains can take a month if they are really bad.

I'm not sure that anti-inflammatory drugs really speed healing. They reduce some swelling and pain, while the body heals itself. But I'm not a vet. I just tend to think about what would happen to a wolf in the same situation. He wouldn't have access to drugs, so he would heal on his own. I find more reassurance in nature than I do in vets, most of the time. Unless surgery is needed, or bones are broken.

If you are really worried, you could call the vet and say the the meds made Ginger ill, so you quit giving them to her, but that now you are worried about her rate of healing, if you want to avoid annoying the vet by not taking his advice initially. Some folk are understanding, but some are not!

[Bowwowmeow]

Ice does help ligaments rebuild. Initially, heat is supposed to reduce swelling immediately after the trauma, but ice is needed afterwards to promote healing. You could use a bag of frozen peas on the area, but no longer than ten minutes at a time, since Ginger can't tell you when it gets too uncomfortable. Labs love to be cold and wet, in my experience, but ice can be damaging before it gets uncomfortable. You could do this maybe three times a day, and it might help.

[my3labs]

Thanks, BWM. I really feel better not giving her the drugs but I wasn't sure if the meds would help the healing process or just relieve some of the pain. I think I'll wait it out for another week or so. Poor thing tho...she just wants to go out and play and we won't let her. She knows we're taking Carson and Lacey to the field to play ball and she whines and barks at whomever ends up staying home with her. We've tried to be discreet about taking them but she's a smart girl and she knows exactly what's going on.

[Bowwowmeow]

Sometimes pain relief isn't the wisest thing to do, because reinjury can occur if someone feels better through the use of painkillers, and overdoes it without knowing it. It happens to people a lot.

I know what its like to have to try to make a lab take it easy! All the labs I've ever known never want to stop, even when they look like they are about to have a heart attack. :shakehead: :D :smallheart:

[Gliondrach]

Is she still on painkillers? The trouble with prolonged use of painkillers is that they will allow someone to walk more than is good for them.

Have you tried omega-3 for anti-inflammation?

[my3labs]

Hi Martin,
I only gave her one of the pain killers and that was almost a week ago. I haven't tried the Omega 3's. I'll check it out.

[Gliondrach]

What's the news about Fleegan, My3labs?

[my3labs]

What's the news about Fleegan, My3labs?
He's fine. The blood work that they did came back clean.

[my3labs]

I need some advice.

Our four year old, Carson, is really rough when he takes treats from us. He basically snaps it out of our hand. Tonight I gave him a cookie (a real human cookie) and he actually made a dent in my finger when he snatched it. I can play rough with him and he's really gentle so it's not an aggressive issue. I know it's my own fault for not teaching him properly when he was young but I need help. What can I do to teach him to take things "nicely"?

[Bowwowmeow]

Pick a command, like "gentle" or "easy" or whatever you like, and stick with it. Then, take a small tidbit of food, and completely enclose it in your closed fist. Let him smell your hand, so that he knows there is a treat in there, but don't let him have it. Keep saying your command, and allow a little bit of the treat to protrude between your thumb and the rest of your hand. Let him take it very slowly, and if he shows signs of snapping for it, close your fist over it again. Never pull your hand away quickly, as this will encourage the snapping. Just slowly turn your hand away from him if he seems too anxious to get at the treat.

Eventually, you should be able to hold it in plain sight, say your command, and he should take it gently.

Some of my customers have not been taught this, and I call them "the jaws of death". I just toss the treat in the air and let them catch it, because a few of them simply cannot learn to be gentle with their favorite treats, especially those in multi-dog families.

Good Luck!

[Gliondrach]

Mandy was naturally gentle. I could put something like a biscuit in her mouth and she would begin to chew it. If my fingers were still in the way she would stop before doing any damage. I could put a biscuit in my mouth, offer it to her, and she would take it very carefully and gently.

[my3labs]

Ginger is an angel when it comes to taking treats. Lacey is a bit of a meany and Carson is just plain evil.
I'll work with Lacey and Carson with BWM's suggestions.
Thanks.

[1vegan]

What is the best way to get rid of dog fleas?

The dog of a friend of mine has some fleas, it seems to keep the dog awake during the night.

What are good natural ways to get rid of the fleas?

I sort of don't want to advise chemials, but if something natural doesn't work, what would be good (and cheap) ways to get rid of the fleas?

[Bowwowmeow]

Diligent flea combing, and submersion in salt water are the only natural ways I know that are effective. Flea combing is almost impossible on a long haired dog, though. Those drops, like Advantage, are the best chemical way to completely get rid of them, and you don't have to use it every month like they say. Just whenever the fleas return.

[Soynut]

Advantage and Frontline seem to be superior in combating fleas. I use Frontline every month during the summer and only once in while the rest of the year. I got mine from www.petshed.com I like their prices!:) Fleas can make dogs so miserable.:(

[Bowwowmeow]

They can even cause anemia related illness and death in weak or sick animals. I don't like having to kill them, but they are too much of a threat. :(

[my3labs]

A friend of mine sent this to me...it's cute.

http://birdloversonly.blogspot.com/2007/09/may-i-have-this-dance.html

[Oracl]

:D

That looks pretty much like the one I posted: Snowball the dancing cockatoo! (http://www.thenakedvegan.net/showthread.php?t=1280) ;)

[Gliondrach]

No, they are completely different birds. Anyone who is an expert in dancing styles - like what I am - can see that this one is doing the Lindy Hop and the other one is doing a modified jive with elements of Lancashire clog dancing.

[Oracl]

:laugh:

[my3labs]

:D

That looks pretty much like the one I posted: Snowball the dancing cockatoo! (http://www.thenakedvegan.net/showthread.php?t=1280) ;)

Oops.

[my3labs]

What is the best way to get rid of dog fleas?

The dog of a friend of mine has some fleas, it seems to keep the dog awake during the night.

What are good natural ways to get rid of the fleas?

I sort of don't want to advise chemials, but if something natural doesn't work, what would be good (and cheap) ways to get rid of the fleas?

From "Dr. Pirtcairn's Guike to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats":

Herbal Flea Powder:
Combine one part each of as many of these powdered herbs as you can find: eucalyptus, rosemary, fennel, yellow dock, wormwood, and rue. Put the mixture in a shaker-top jar. Apply sparingly to pet's coat by brushing backward with your hand or a comb and sprinkling into the base of the hairs, especially on the neck, back, and belly. After applying, put your pet outside for awhile so the fleas will jump off outside.

Natural skin tonic:
Thinly slice a whole lemon, including the peel. Add it to 1 pint of near boiling water and let it steep overnight. The next day, sponge the solution onto the animal's skin and let it dry. Can be used daily for severe skin problems. It is a source of natural flea-killing substances such as d-limonene and other healing ingredients found in the whole lemon.

I haven't tried either of these.

There is also talk of nutritional yeast, brewers yeast and garlic.

[Oracl]

Oops.
:laugh:

[my3labs]

Well, Ginger hurt herself again! This time we think she pulled a muscle in one of her back legs. She's walking on it but very carefully and she cries if she walks up the stairs or getting on the bed. She's also starts to shake if we ask her to walk on it, and then after she's walked or done something like walking.
Poor baby.

[Oracl]

Poor Ginger. :comfort:

[Bowwowmeow]

*sending good thoughts to Ginger* :colors:

[Gliondrach]

Would applying heat or cold help?

[thevegantwins]

Poor Ginger. She's not having a good time lately. :comfort::dogface2:

[my3labs]

Would Arnica pellets help?

[Bowwowmeow]

Yes, they probably would. So would sprinkling some ginger or turmeric on her food. They are both natural anti-inflammatories, and reducing inflammation, which always accompanies injury, is important. Its not a good idea to use drugs for inflammation, though, because it is a part of the healing process, and you don't want to eliminate it entirely. I hope she recovers soon! She sounds like Joey, a black lab I used to visit. He regularly hurt limbs by overdoing his ball chasing activity. It was hard to stop him. It was even harder when he had to stay inactive during the healing process!

[my3labs]

Good advice everyone! Ginger is doing much better today. She just climbed up on the bed by herself. She's still limping a bit but no more shaking and no more crying.

[thevegantwins]

I'm glad, my3labs. It's heartbreaking to watch our furbabies suffer.

[Gliondrach]

Great news.

[Bowwowmeow]

Aw, I'm glad she's feeling better. :colors:

[my3labs]

Crap! Now it's Carson. I think he may have sprained his wrist just like Ginger did a few months ago.

Carson's only 4 and Ginger is 7. they can't be getting too old to play ball?????

[Bowwowmeow]

Oh no. Poor Carson.
I was going to ask you how old Ginger is. Seven is getting up there, especially for labs, who are not known for long lives in the doggy kingdom. :( Four is ok, but, as in Joey's case, he was hurting himself since about age 1. Some labs just can't hold back.

[Gliondrach]

Is this a known weakness in labs?

[dreamer]

I know labs are prone to hip dysplasia and they can (as BWM intimated) be overly "rambunctious" which can end up leading to injuries. [I just searched for health problems and it also says that they can be prone to elbow dysplasia!] Labs are just big goofs in a lot of ways...they're so cool:thumbsup:

[Gliondrach]

So many dogs are the victims of their specialised breeding.

[dreamer]

Sadly true...my toy poodle has allergies and a collapsing trachea because of it.

[Gliondrach]

Allergies to what? A collapsing or swelling trachea? Is this common in poodles?

[Bowwowmeow]

Sadly true...my toy poodle has allergies and a collapsing trachea because of it.
:( :comfort:

[my3labs]

I'm not panicking yet. Lacey didn't eat dinner tonight, nor will she take any food that we've tried to hand feed her.
Lacey (approximately 10 years old) has NEVER, in the eight years since we adopted her, turned down food.
I guess we'll see how she's doing tomorrow. Thoughts and well wishes would be greatly appreciated.

[Oracl]

A Labrador that won't eat is definitely a worry. :( I'm sending positive thoughts, my3labs. :agree: :colors:

[Gliondrach]

Will send good thoughts. But she probaly is just feeling under the weather.

[my3labs]

She vomitted blood this morning. I got up from bed and couldn't find her. Dan and I went downstairs and saw two blood spots on the way out the back door. She was outside in the bushes. She's now upstairs laying on a blanket while we decide if she needs emergency care.

[Soynut]

That's weird, my3labs.... she'll probably need emergency care. Vomiting blood is never good. I hope she'll get the treatment she needs and perk up soon. Do you think she ate something foreign? My dog sometimes eat strange stuff outside when I walk him, and I have no control over that since he tends to do it faster than my eye can see.

[my3labs]

She's at the hospital. They're doing blood work and giving her fluids and pain meds. They think it might be a bacteria in her stomach. They're expecting her to have bloody diarrheas very soon. We were in the waiting room waiting for her blood results when she vomited blood all over the place. The doctor came out and said that they needed to get her on fluids immediately. So, we left her there (I was freaking out and crying pretty hysterically). They're going to call us soon to let us know what the blood work shows. They might have to keep her overnight.

[Gliondrach]

I hope Lacey's all right, My3labs. Let us know as soon as you hear. I'm sure she'll be back to her normal self soon. More good thoughts will soon be on their way.

[thevegantwins]

I hope she is okay, my3labs. :crossfingers:

[my3labs]

Just talked to the vet. She's still vomiting blood. Her pancreas is showing high levels of something, which could also mean that she got into something. They were asking us if we had rat poison anywhere. Obviously we don't but what if she ate an animal that had been poisoned or something?
They're going to check her fluids again in 15 minutes and see if she's improving. They're also waiting on a stool sample to verify if it's the stomach bacterial thing.

[my3labs]

She has "Clostridium", which is an infection in the stomach. The only thing they can do is give her fluids and antibiotics. As of 1/2 hour ago, she was not responding well to the fluids so they increased them. They're going to check her again in another 1/2 hour.

[my3labs]

She's showing signs of improvement and is responding well to the fluids. They're going to check her again in a few hours and call us again. She'll definitely be there overnight.

[Soynut]

My mom's dog got an awful bacterial infection a few years ago after eating dog feces on the street. She was in the hospital for 3 days with IV. Today, she's a healthy happy dog but, boy, my mom was one distraught woman.

I hope your little one will feel better soon.:yheart:

[Oracl]

That sounds positive, my3labs. :agree: :crossfingers:

[my3labs]

She's at our regular vet now. He's concerned about the cause of it. He said that he's afraid that something might have triggered it. Cancer was mentioned. This is so hard. I'm so scared for her. She was crying in the car on the way to the vet. She was crying the whole time we were at the vet and then I had to leave her again. They're doing some more tests right now and putting her back on the fluids. I'm working from home today so at least I'm close by.
Please, continue to send good thoughts to my girl.

[dreamer]

:crossfingers::comfort:

[Bowwowmeow]

Please, continue to send good thoughts to my girl.
:grouphug2: I will, my3labs.

[Gliondrach]

You can be sure of the good thoughts.

And I'm sure she'll be all right.

[my3labs]

She's home and she should be fine. All of her bloodwork at the end of the day came back fantastic. The vet said he couldn't be more pleased.
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks to all who sent prayers and good thoughts our way.:grouphug2:

[Soynut]

I'm so happy for both of you.:thumbsup: It's so evident that you love that little girl so much.:butterfly:

[my3labs]

I'm so happy for both of you.:thumbsup: It's so evident that you love that little girl so much.:butterfly:
Thanks, Soynut. We really do love them all so much. We have human children as well, but we love our dogs just as much.

She had some food for the first time in over 48 hours. She seems to be holding it down just fine. She's been sleeping most of the time she's been home. I'm sure she's exhausted.

I can't thank you all enough for the good wishes that were sent. I'm certain that played a part in her outcome. Thanks again!!!

[Oracl]

Excellent news!!!! :agree: :thumbsup: :cheer:

[Bowwowmeow]

She's home and she should be fine. All of her bloodwork at the end of the day came back fantastic. The vet said he couldn't be more pleased.
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks to all who sent prayers and good thoughts our way.:grouphug2:
:) :) :)
I'm so relieved to read this, and so glad for you all! I feel like I've met your dogs in person, and I've been scared to click on this thread. Now I can go back to bed.

[Tails4wagging]

C Diff, is a nasty infection which affects humans as well.

So please she is doing well. Hugs to her and you.

[my3labs]

Yes, BWM...go back to bed and heal your migraine.
All is well in the my3labs household.
:yea:

For the record, this is what she had/has: htt p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemorrhagic_gastroenteritis

[my3labs]

Excellent news!!!! :agree: :thumbsup: :cheer:
I couldn't agree more!

C Diff, is a nasty infection which affects humans as well.

So please she is doing well. Hugs to her and you.
Thanks tails.

Dan (mr. my3labs) cried when we got the good news. It was comforting to see how much he loves them.

[Gliondrach]

Great news, My3labs! Give her a cuddle from me.

[dreamer]

:) :thumbsup: :cheer:

[thevegantwins]

:colors: Wonderful, my3labs. I hope Lacey continues to improve and doesn't get this ever, ever again. :crossfingers:

[my3labs]

:colors: Wonderful, my3labs. I hope Lacey continues to improve and doesn't get this ever, ever again. :crossfingers:
I read that there's a 10 - 15% chance of reoccurrence with this disease. We'll be keeping a very close eye on her.

A coworker asked me today if it's possible that Lacey got this illness because we feed them a raw diet. I smiled and briefly explained what was actually in "traditional dog food" (ie: kibble). Does anyone have a link to some factual information that I could share with him regarding the disgusting things in regular pet food?

[Gliondrach]

This:
ht tp://ww w.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/ahealth3.htm

has a link to this:
ht tp://w ww.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/jesse.htm

There's a lot of advertising but some good information.

[my3labs]

Carson (our four year old) is a bully. He gets into fights at the park almost every time we go. I'm really at my wits end with him and don't know what to do.

[Tails4wagging]

Carson (our four year old) is a bully. He gets into fights at the park almost every time we go. I'm really at my wits end with him and don't know what to do.

Is he castrated?. Male dogs do have a tendancy to go into battle with other male dogs if they are uncastrated.
Bit like men really!!:)

[Bowwowmeow]

I had to stop taking Daisy at around five years old. Sometimes around that age dogs change, no matter how well they have been socialized previously, and it may not be possible to train it out of them. I know a wonderful behaviorist who comes to the park with people and their dogs, in order to help these kinds of problems. If you can find someone like that in your area that would be great. They are expensive, though.

I might be able to give you some advice, if you give a detailed description of the circumstances. Anything you can think of about what kinds of dogs he does it to, what sort of behavior is taking place on their part and his, how close he is to you when he acts like a bully, etc.

[Soynut]

My dog was great with other dogs until he was 2-3 years old. I used to take him to the dog park and almost everywhere I went. It was good old times, I never had to worry about a thing. Now we don't socialize much with other dogs anymore except from visiting a friend who has 5 (he loves being with them).

It kind of make me have more sympathy for parents who say they did everything, but still had troubled kids.:updn:

[my3labs]

I've been watching "The Dog Whisperer" (Cesar Millan) a lot lately. The guy is a genius.
I now realize that I've been encouraging Carson's behavior by avoiding the dog park, guests, etc. By not facing my/our fears, I'm feeding his fear. I believe that I'm feeding his negative energy by feeling nervousness when we're in a situation where he might get weird, consequently I'm making it worse by avoiding the situation. (ie: I feel scared because he might bite another dog or human so I avoid the situation, which makes it worse when we're in that environment, which makes me avoid it even more, which makes it even worse when we are around other dogs, etc.) It's a vicious cycle.
I now believe that he is not aggressive. He's more dominant, and they seem to be two totally different things.
He's always been really bad on a leash. I've been following Cesar's "walking" advice for a few weeks and I'm seeing real improvements with Carson. Carson has a TON of energy and I think he's not getting the exercise he needs to make him a stable, happy dog.
I'm curious to see what you all have to say about Cesar's methods.

[Gliondrach]

I've never seen the bloke. Dogs are very sensitive to our moods.

[paul]

I am sure if you are nervous and worried the dog will tune into that and respond accordingly.[/.
Very true:uhuh:

[thevegantwins]

This is a nonsense question really but I'm wondering something about Felíne's water supply. We give her bottled spring water, the same brand we drink, because the tap water is awful around here. Mr. TVT thinks that she should get fresh water twice a day. I only give it to her in the morning. Do you think it is necessary for her to have a cleaned water bowl with fresh spring water twice a day?

[Gliondrach]

Mandy had a bowl of water but it wasn't changed more than once a day. I don't think it will do any harm to fill it just once.

[Bowwowmeow]

I've been watching "The Dog Whisperer" (Cesar Millan) a lot lately. The guy is a genius.
I now realize that I've been encouraging Carson's behavior by avoiding the dog park, guests, etc. By not facing my/our fears, I'm feeding his fear. I believe that I'm feeding his negative energy by feeling nervousness when we're in a situation where he might get weird, consequently I'm making it worse by avoiding the situation. (ie: I feel scared because he might bite another dog or human so I avoid the situation, which makes it worse when we're in that environment, which makes me avoid it even more, which makes it even worse when we are around other dogs, etc.) It's a vicious cycle.
I now believe that he is not aggressive. He's more dominant, and they seem to be two totally different things.
He's always been really bad on a leash. I've been following Cesar's "walking" advice for a few weeks and I'm seeing real improvements with Carson. Carson has a TON of energy and I think he's not getting the exercise he needs to make him a stable, happy dog.
I'm curious to see what you all have to say about Cesar's methods.
I've never seen him, but if you have learned what you posted from him, he sounds like he knows what he is doing. I'm glad its working for you and Carson!

This is a nonsense question really but I'm wondering something about Felíne's water supply. We give her bottled spring water, the same brand we drink, because the tap water is awful around here. Mr. TVT thinks that she should get fresh water twice a day. I only give it to her in the morning. Do you think it is necessary for her to have a cleaned water bowl with fresh spring water twice a day?
I only change water once a day myself.

[my3labs]

I bought a slip lead tonight and took each of the dogs (separately of course) for a walk. This thing is wonderful!!!!

[Gliondrach]

I bought a slip lead tonight and took each of the dogs (separately of course) for a walk. This thing is wonderful!!!!

That's how my mother trained me.

[my3labs]

I think thats what we call over here as a choke chain. Have you tried a harness?.
It's not a metal choke chain, if that's what you're thinking of. It's basically a regular nylon leash that slips around the neck. I think they're used mostly for dog shows. It took each of them a few minutes to figure out that if they pulled, it would be a bit uncomfortable but once they figured it out it was beautiful.
I've tried harnesses with all of them to no avail. I'm told that their chest is the strongest part of the body so a harness is more for carrying weight/pulling things.

[Soynut]

As you may know, My3labs, I have almost identical problems with my little friend here. Although I've known the cause for a while, I haven't really done anything about it. I've been avoiding dog parks and other dog interactions which only made the problem worse, of course. But I think Ceasar is right on the money on this one (any many other things too), and it looks like you are on to something with your doggie. I just have to get my act together now and get some help with mine before he becomes a complete mama's boy with zero social skills.:updn:... But then again we all have problems including dogs.

[my3labs]

So true. Cesar talks about a lot about energy. Specifically the energy that you're projecting to your dogs. I know I'm projecting a lot of fear and anxiety. He's fine when he's around Dan (who's the most calm person I've ever met) but he's mean to other dogs when he's with me. Cesar repeatedly talks about not projecting that negative energy to our dogs, but I can't figure out how to do that. I've always been an anxious person, in all aspects of my life. I think Carson has become a bit neurotic like his mommy. :shakehead:

[Soynut]

My energy is pretty bad too when we meet new dogs in the street. I know he picks up on it and thinks I'm afraid of the other dogs and that he should protect ME. What he doesn't know is that I'm afraid of what HE is going to do.:rolleyes2: Oh, we two got into a bit of a mess here.:corgi:

[Soynut]

Cesar repeatedly talks about not projecting that negative energy to our dogs, but I can't figure out how to do that. I've always been an anxious person, in all aspects of my life. I think Carson has become a bit neurotic like his mommy. :shakehead:

:D I can totally relate to this too.

[Soynut]

Maybe a natural toothpaste for toddlers will work? Strawberry or banana flavor might be hard to resist. I have a kids toothbrush for my doggie, it works great, and it's even better and cheaper than those made especially for dogs.:)

[Gliondrach]

This massage/chiropractic-type video might be useful to show your vet if your doggie friend ever has iliopsoas muscles trouble. I actually went out and caught a dog in the street to try this. My hands have now stopped bleeding and I don't think I'll need a rabies injection.

h ttp://w ww.squidoo.com/psoas#module8491198


This next one might be useful but ask your vet first. I'm not too sure about the last exercise recommended:

One of the most common muscle injuries in a dog
By Daniel Beatty, DVM
Three of the most common injuries in a performance dog are Cranial Cruciate Rupture (blown knee), Supraspinatus/Infraspinatus Strains (shoulder muscle strain), and the Psoas group muscle strain. As an animal chiropractor I see a lot of Psoas muscle injuries; lets talk about how to prevent this from occurring.

First the psoas muscle group are deep stomach muscles attaching at the pelvis and the femur (hind leg) and running to the underside of the lumbar spine. It is unable to be palpated because it is deep…meaning you can not feel it, because it is under so much other muscle. The dog contracts this muscle group to bring its hind legs underneath itself to push off while running. The muscle arches the lower back, tips the pelvis, and brings the hind legs forward, like contracting a spring, winding it up for an explosive release. It is used extensively in jumping and running.

Many times a dog will have a roached lower back. It looks like the dogs spine is protruding upward right after the rib cage. In severe cases in which the muscle is strained the dog is crouched underneath itself and has a difficult time extending the hind leg backward. An injury to this muscle can put the dog out of commission for several months. Most of the time it is more of a chronic injury and what is seen is the roached back and a decreased ability to jump. In agility dogs it may mean the dog refuses jumps or knocks bars.

So how do we prevent this muscle strain. Two ways as with any muscle you need to strengthen it and also make it more flexible. So here are some techniques to strengthen and stretch this muscle group -

Strengthening & Stretching Exercises -

Sit up and beg
- the begging position is an excellent way to strengthen this muscle. It is an isometric exercise that forces the dog to use its lower back and stomach muscles as stabilizers. Teach your dog to get into the begging position, you know the one in which the dog starts out in the sit position then brings its front paws up and close to its chest while it straightens its back to sit in an upward position. Hold this pose for 10 seconds and then increase it up to a maximum of a minute. This will really strengthen the psoas group.

Hind leg stretch
- Have the dog stand, kneel behind your dog. Take your left arm and support underneath your dogs belly, be sure he/she is comfortable with this. It may take a couple of times just doing this before you actually stretch your dog. Now with your right hand grab the dogs right knee (in some larger dogs you may have to stabilize the knee with your left hand from underneath the belly and with your right hand grab just below the knee closer to the dogs hock), gently pull the leg straight back, keeping the leg straight at all times. This will stretch the quadriceps and also tip the pelvis forward stretching the psoas group and some of the other stomach muscles. Hold for 10 to 15 seconds and then relax. Switch legs, support with your right hand and use your left to stretch the left hind leg straight back. Repeat each leg 3 times. Go only as far as your dog will allow, up to the point of tension, dogs with injured psoas muscles, hip dysplasia, or bad knees will not be able to extend completely backward, just go to tension.

Another way of stretching this muscle is to have your dog lay on its left side, then while sitting behind your dog supporting its back by applying a little pressure to the spine with your left hand/arm, gently grab the right knee with your right hand and pull the leg straight backward. Hold for 10 to 15 seconds, then release for 10 seconds, then repeat. Repeat this three times with this leg and then flip the dog to its other side and do the other leg.

A more advanced technique using what is called dynamic stretching - stretches and strengthens the muscle at the same time. Your dog has to be fit in order to do this and without injury.

Dancing Dog or Walking on Hind legs
- This entails having your dog stand on its hind legs while placing its front paws on you. To start with you can have your dog stretch as far out as it can with its hind legs. Do this by starting to slowly walk away from your dog while keeping it front paws on you. Eventually work yourself up to where you move far enough that your dog has to move its hind legs to keep his front paws on you - basically you are dancing with your dog. BE sure that the dogs hind legs are stretched out. Then the last step is to actually move away from your dog but instead of the dog dropping to the ground with its front paws he remains standing alone without your support and walks towards you on its hind legs. This will need to be done by coaxing with a treat and lots of time training. Some dogs do it naturally, others take more time. It is definitely an advanced techinique; however it both strengthens the stomach and back muscles as well as the leg muscles and stretches the psoas group out at the same time. An excellent exercise to prevent that roached back or strained psoas group.

In order to prevent a very common performance dog injury you need to strengthen and stretch your dog. Do these exercises at least every other day if not once a day to have a healthy happy dog.

h ttp://healthyasadog.com/one-of-the-most-common-muscle-injuries-in-a-dog


This info came from a site about the psoas muscle, mainly the human-type one. It contains useful info about low back pain and has a yoga video on the pigeon pose yoga movement.

ht tp://ww w.squidoo.com/psoas

[my3labs]

I woke up today to find blood on Ginger's ear. After inspecting it more closely I found that her ear flap is severely swollen. I'm certain she has a aural hematoma (http://vetmedicine.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=vetmedicine&cdn=homegarden&tm=204&f=00&su=p284.8.150.ip_&tt=2&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.marvistavet.com/html/body_aural_hematoma.html).
Has anyone ever experienced this and/or have any advice. Surgery is obviously not my first choice.

[Bowwowmeow]

I woke up today to find blood on Ginger's ear. After inspecting it more closely I found that her ear flap is severely swollen. I'm certain she has a aural hematoma (http://vetmedicine.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=vetmedicine&cdn=homegarden&tm=204&f=00&su=p284.8.150.ip_&tt=2&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.marvistavet.com/html/body_aural_hematoma.html).
Has anyone ever experienced this and/or have any advice. Surgery is obviously not my first choice.
Hematomas do go away on their own, but they are often caused by excessive head shaking due to a problem in the ear canal. She may have some water in her ear, if she's been swimming, or maybe an infection has set in. Smell her ear, and if there is a strong, unpleasant odor, there's something wrong.

I used to heal Fod's ear infections with over the counter vaginal yeast ointment, which is way cheaper than what you get at the vet, but I knew that's what was wrong. If you don't know, and can't tell, take her to the vet if the hematoma doesn't subside within a week, or if she keeps shaking her head. Dr Pitcairn has some homeopathic remedies I tried too, and they worked, but ultimately we switched to the raw food diet because he just kept getting yeast overgrowths all the time. Once that cleared up, he never got hematomas from head shaking again, and his ears looked completely normal.

[my3labs]

Her ear canal smells and looks normal. I think it was some kind of trauma. She runs through the woods everyday so she probably bumped into something.
They're all on a raw diet so I'm not too concerned about their overall health. She just looks so pathetic with her big swollen ear. She's not shaking her head too much or scratching it. She'll let me touch it so I don't think it's painful.
She's such a sweet girl...right now she's laying in the bed with her face under the covers.
FYI - I think the blood on her ear is where it's burst through the skin. Or, maybe that's where the initial trauma occurred?

[Gliondrach]

I found some info about ears here:
natural-pet-care.com/.../pet-health-issues/hematomas-in-dogs-ears


Dogs have a keen auditory faculty. To help retain this extraordinary attribute, a dog’s ear canal is L-shaped to protect the tympanic membrane (ear drum) from any kind of injury. The typical structure of a dog’s ear means that a foreign substance that enters the ear or wax or debris that accumulates due to infections, has to work its way upwards rather than straight out, as is the case in the human ear. This makes it difficult for any thing going in to come out easily.

Common Ear Infections like dog Ear Mites and yeast infection lead to an increased production of wax, which has to be removed manually. Breeding of dogs has added to the problem in as far as drooping eared breeds are concerned. The drooping ears do not let the ears dry easily. Moist ears are a sure invitation for infections to establish roots.

Ear Mites and other Ear Infections cause excessive Itching, which is the root cause of blood clots that develop in a dog’s ear lobe. When a dog is uncomfortable due an Ear Infection, he is prone to shake his head and scratch ears vigorously. This leads to bleeding due a rupture in a vessel in the external ear. Medically known as hematomas, clots occur because there is nothing in the ear that can produce enough pressure to stop the bleeding and the blood vessel swells. These blood clots can develop into serious conditions if not treated in time.

Most Ear Infections are effectively managed by regular cleaning followed by home remedies for Ear Mites like vinegar and water or mineral oil and vitamin C. In severe infections a full ear flush is required even for examining the ear to pinpoint the cause of the discomfort to the dog. Once a haematoma is diagnosed the treatment is limited to the following three options:

Aspiration in which the fluid is drained out with the aid of a syringe. There is a strong possibility in this method that the blood vessel will swell again.
Teat Cannula that involves a small flexible tube that is inserted into the swollen vessel for draining off the fluid.
Surgery, which includes an incision that is made in the ear and the blood clots are removed. The cut is later closed with sutures.
The basic preventive measures for hematomas are similar to those for other Ear Infections. Regular grooming and ear cleaning of pet ears is a must and any laxity in the routine can cause a lot of discomfort to your pet. For example, even relatively less bothersome conditions like cat Ear Mites can develop into serious conditions if ear cleaning is not done on a regular basis. Haematomas can also cause many problems. Left untreated, they can lead to a complete blockage of the ear. After treatment, your pet may not look the same as before as surgery can alter the shape of the ear.


I hope Ginger recovers fully without surgery.

[my3labs]

Ginger's ear is back to normal. :yea:

[Oracl]

:thumbsup: :)

[Gliondrach]

:)

[my3labs]

Fireworks are going off like crazy and two of my dogs (Carson and Dakota) are having a really hard time. I called my vet and they want to prescribe something call "Acepromazine". It has some cardiac side effects that make me more than a little nervous. Does anyone have any other ideas? Herbal, homeopathic?

[Gliondrach]

Valerian is used for humans. I checked to see if it's all right for dogs and found this site. It advertises skullcap and valerian tablets for anxiety, nervousness, excitability and travel sickness in dogs and cats.

ht tp://w ww.nutrecare.co.uk/best_detail.asp?prod_id=1850

ht tp://ww w.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/nervines.htm

[Soynut]

With thunder storms or fireworks or anything loud and scary, really, my dog always looks at me for reassurance. So cute. If I stay calm and say "it's OK, don't worry", he just goes about his business. But I know for many dogs this doesn't help at all. I'm afraid I don't have any really good advice.

[KRITER]

My cat Baily is fixing to hav his 21 st birthday this month.I took him to the vet Monday cuz hes loosing his hair.Its falling out.They coodnt find nothing rong.His thyroids is good.He had a very minor kidney problem but thats gone.His heart and skin is in good shape.Vet maybe a hormone.Hes eating ok.Wished he,d eat more cuz hes reel skiny or looks lik it with out hair.Hes part perisan so he had lots of hair and it always got mated.Come January cold weather be seting in.He still gets in the cat house and its on legs off the ground so the dogs cant get in it.Wonder if critters get mail patern baldness?

[Gliondrach]

Yes, I would suggest a cat coat for Baily. As long as the coat won't get caught on any branches.


Wish him a happy birthday from me.

[Gliondrach]

If anyone has any cunning ideas to get rid of the smell of cat pee or advice to offer, it would be much appreciated.




I was going to suggest bicarbonate of soda or baking powder but wanted to check first. As I thought, I was right.

As it says in Top Cat Links:

The one thing you can't do is to simply spray an air or carpet freshener product such as Febreze on it. While they may make the odor go away for a while, they only work by masking the problem. The underlying cause of the odor still will be there.

Worse, your pets will still detect the odor and will continue to use the spot as a toilet. You must get rid of the odor to prevent repeat behavior.

Running a soap and water carpet cleaning machine, or a steam cleaner also isn't going to solve the problem. The components that cause the odor will simply seep out with the water further from the source.

There are also a couple of home remedies that people have tried and have had success with. (But others have not):

Apply baking soda. This should get some of the surface material, but won't work on deep stains or odors.

Mix a solution of vinegar and warm water in a 1:4 ratio and pour it on the affected area. Be sure to test it on an inconspicuous spot first, though, because it is possible that the vinegar will stain the carpet and actually do nothing to the odor.

Try a 3 percent solution of hydrogen peroxide. Again, this is likely to stain the carpet, since hydrogen peroxide is a bleaching agent.

topcatlinks.com/caturineodor.php

And some more tips:
http://www.getridofthings.com/get-rid-of-cat-urine.htm

[Gliondrach]

Yes, a hard floor will be the best bet.

[KRITER]

Wen cold weather gets here Ill be bringing him in.Hes never been in a litter box but he mite figure it out.I hav a reel small place so Ill kno rite away if he dont.He dont like staying in the house.I feed him in the house cuz I dont want the other cats or dogs to try steeling his food or bothering him and after hes ate all he wants he stares at the front door.Im going to make him a warm bed inside.I cant use the heat much cuz it has a electric motor.I dont hav a wood stov cuz havnt found anybody local selling wood stovs aproved for mobile homes yet,still looking.But itll still be warmer inside.

[Oracl]

Have a happy birthday, Baily! :)

[KRITER]

Hey yall.Life is bizy and somtimes hard.Baily died.It was just old age.Its weird him not being round.He was the last of that generation of my family.He was a good ol boy.

[Gliondrach]

Sorry to hear that, Kriter. Baily had a very good friend in you. He will have been very happy.

I hope you are coping. It will take time to get used to not having him around.

:hug:

[fezza]

Sorry to hear about Bailey :(

Tabitha, I tried biological washing liquid with the pup and it seems to work. She had stood in a sticky poo (hers, you understand!) and tramped it over the wooden floor. We washed it all with stuff from the petshop but she could still smell herself and was pooping & peeing aaaaall over the show. I poured half a cap full of bio liquid into the spray bottle of pet cleaner and cleaned the floor and she didn't seem to be able to smell herself any more and resumed pooping and peeing on the training pad :agree:

[fezza]

*pictures Pat in the shower, whistling away to himself... scarey shadow gripping bucket of feliway mixed with bio liquid looms against the shower curtain *

[Oracl]

Hey yall.Life is bizy and somtimes hard.Baily died.It was just old age.Its weird him not being round.He was the last of that generation of my family.He was a good ol boy.
Sorry to hear about Baily, KRITER. :sorry:

[Bowwowmeow]

Hey yall.Life is bizy and somtimes hard.Baily died.It was just old age.Its weird him not being round.He was the last of that generation of my family.He was a good ol boy.
I'm sorry KRITER. Twenty one years is a good long life for a cat, but its also a good long time to get used to having them around. It makes it that much harder when they leave us. :hug:

[KRITER]

Thank yall for all the nice words.Baily was a rescue.I took him from a human family that was abusing him.He wasnt quite a year.A married couple pushed him around,yelled at him and they let thair kids hit him,kik him and thro things at him.I couldnt deel with it nomore so I just took him.That was a long time ago.He was quiet,never asked for nothing.He never even tryd being any trouble.Like I said he was good ol boy and hes missed.Yall be good.

[Gliondrach]

Good for you, Kriter, for rescuing Baily from those filthy scum.

[dreamer]

I've known for quite some time not to give a dog onions, chocolate, avocado, and garlic (though apparently small amounts of garlic in food/treats is not enough to do damage).

However, with my pup I've learned (even b4 I became vegan) to not give him eggs or bacon. This week I learned that he also gets VERY sick at his stomach when he gets honeydew melon. I'd given it to him a few times b4, usually just b4 I went to work. So when he threw up, I thought maybe it was due to anxiety about me leaving. (He has done so a few times with foods I know don't normally cause him problems.) But this weekend I gave him a little bit and he seemed miserable for hours, even keeping me up into the early morning. I guess it's not an "every dog" kind-of thing, but just wanted to put it out there if anyone else suspects such a reaction.

[Gliondrach]

There's some kind of melon that I can't eat too much of because it gives me a belly ache.