masculine / feminine

[Phoenix]

May I ask what physical characteristics &/or personal attributes you think make a man :lech: masculine and a woman :flirt: feminine? Is it about physical appearance only, or a person’s manner of being? :bi:

Personally, I find a man who eats salad :eat: extremely masculine and sexy. :wolfwhis:

I also like men with long hair. (But not “mullets”. Think of American Indian men; or Aragorn / Boromir / Faramir / Legolas from the Lord of the Rings movies.) :dribble: Conversely, some bald men, (Sean Connery, Patrick Stewart) are extremely attractive.

Seriously though, I think gentleness – usually considered a feminine trait – can make a man even more masculine. It takes strength to be gentle :angelic: whereas anger :tantrum: & violence :biff: are often borne of weakness & fear. :speechless:

What do you think?

[Oracl]

I think gentleness and compassion in a man is very attractive. :agree: I hate oiks (if that is actually a word): stupid, aggressive, beer-swilling yobs who equate masculinity with things like hunting and fishing and eating meat. :hbang:

My bloke is tall and lean so I'd better say I like tall, lean blokes! ;) More importantly he is very compassionate and gentle, oh, and he eats heaps of salad! :eat: :D

[Phoenix]

Your bloke sounds like a real prize, Oracl. :agree: :D

Does he have a brother? :friends:

[Bowwowmeow]

I'm still puzzling over this subject, Phoenix. There's a test here in another thread, about what sex your brain is, and there's a section on what sort of faces you prefer, masculine or feminine. I prefer men, so they gave me a list of men's faces, and it seems that I prefer more masculine faces. I suppose someone else could prefer men with more feminine faces, or women with masculine or feminine faces. But its hard to put your finger on what makes a man look more or less masculine. And that's only the appearance! I should retake the test and say I prefer women, to see what choices you get from the list of women's faces to look at. Its very interesting.

I agree that it takes strength to be gentle and compassionate. But is strength only a masculine trait? I think in the past people made more distinctions than they do now, and I think its good to blur the boundaries. It seems, when I think about it, that the traits I find attractive in a man, regardless of whether they were considered, in the past, to be male or female traits, make him more masculine because they make him attractive to me. In other words, I guess a man and a woman can share the same trait, but the woman will "feminize" it, while the man will "masculinize' it. Does that make any sense? :dizzy: :D

[Oracl]

Does he have a brother? :friends:
Um, yes, five brothers BUT two of them are oiks, two of them are fishers, one goes hunting, all of them eat meat and none of them eats a lot of salad! :rolleyes: :covereyes: :zip:

So how come my bloke is the only vegan in his family? :rubchin: Hmm, was it something to do with the person he married!! ;) :curtsey: :D

[Bowwowmeow]

You Are 66% Feminine, 34% Masculine

http://images.blogthings.com/areyoumasculineorfemininequiz/gender-4.jpg

You are in touch with your feminine side.
Sensitive, intuitive, and caring are all words that describe you.
And you're just masculine enough to relate to both men and women.

Are You Masculine or Feminine?

http://www.blogthings.com/areyoumasculineorfemininequiz/

[1vegan]

You Are 50% Feminine, 50% Masculine

http://images.blogthings.com/areyoumasculineorfemininequiz/gender-3.jpg

You are in touch with both your feminine and masculine sides.
You're sensitive at the right times, but you don't let your emotions overwhelm you.
You're not a eunuch, just the best of both genders.

[dreamer]

I got pretty close to half and half (53% feminine), which is what I would expect. But generally the aspects that are assigned to the label of feminine are considered negative in Western culture, which irritates me to no end...like being emotional is always a bad thing (you can be overly emotional, but being unemotional is very negative to me). And I agree with what some of you already said before, that there should not be hard and fast boundries about how men and women should behave. I always think of an old Designing Women where the women were having an argument with their beaus about how men and women are (and are not) different. Julia basically said that she found it strange that many men thought they either had to be sniveling cowardly doormats or rude beer-chugging macho men, with no room to be somewhere in-between. I totally loved her saying that! I want a man who can cry when something calls for it (whether it be a sad movie or loss of a loved one), can stand up for himself w/o being overbearing or violent, and definitely thinks it's more manly to be sensitive about all living creatures' rights. I try to be these things myself (though I don't always stand up for myself when I should) and at the moment I seem to have found a man to date who mostly fits these characteristics:flirt: From this dating experience, I'm pretty sure I would find it nigh impossible to date a non-vegan again!

[paul]

i think its a mixture of a person phisycal and personal mannerisms.
i look very mascaline, ive got a shaved head, and im very big build, and i can get angry and pissed off, mainly trough frustration, ( you might have noticed im not the best of speackers, my grammer and spelling are terrible, i find it hard to explain what i mean.

but im also a very caring person, i will help any friend i can in any way i can, im there for them 24 / 7 , and i did have the nickname teddy bear,

im a very gentle person in the main, i do have my moments, when things do get on top of me,

im not a big saled eater, this year ive started eating more, its the preparation that gets me, the choping etc,

i shall write more soon. and proberly change this all around.

[paul]

You Are 58% Feminine, 42% Masculine

http://images.blogthings.com/areyoumasculineorfemininequiz/gender-3.jpg

You are in touch with both your feminine and masculine sides.
You're sensitive at the right times, but you don't let your emotions overwhelm you.
You're not a eunuch, just the best of both genders.

Are You Masculine or Feminine?

http://www.blogthings.com/areyoumasculineorfemininequiz/

[dreamer]

I think you rock, paul:rock:

[paul]

thanks dreamer,:o :o :shy:

[Oracl]

i find it hard to explain what i mean.
I think we all understand what you mean, paul. :agree: Your sincerity shines through in your posts, the odd spelling mistake is not important. ;) :)

[paul]

thanks Oracl

[Phoenix]

Thanks everyone. :psmooch: I hope nobody was upset because I didn't intend to cause any offence. :no:

What really got me started was a story on Australian "60 Minutes" recently. They were discussing masculinity / femininity & the whole concept of whether being gay is nature or nurture - and I wanted to throw a brick at the TV. :grumble: They made it sound like homosexuality is a disease that can / should be cured! :hbang: They went on and on about how you "can tell" with kids at a young age - aren't parents supposed to just love their kids unconditionally???

:soap: I'll just step down off my soapbox ...

It got me wondering how people view &/or judge others. But when I started writing I got carried away with Faux's excellent smilies ... :yea:

Now please bear with me 'cause I don't know how to do multiple quotes. :dizzy:

BWM: I agree it's good to "blur the boundries" :agree: & I didn't mean to suggest that strength is a masculine trait only. :no:

Oracl: Apparently we're not destined to be sisters-in-law. :no:

Paul: You sound lovely & I can't spell either ... :updn:

One last thing: I scored 57% feminine.

Thanks again everyone for your thoughts. :thumbsup:

[paul]

you didnt upsett me.:no:

if only it was my spelling, its my grammer, and soo much more.:dizzy:

me loverly, i know loads of peole who would disagea with that,:wigglebutt:

i scored 58% feminie, and im a straight male,:agree:

so many people here say nice things to me thank you all:comfort: :psmooch: :)

[Bowwowmeow]

No, I wasn't upset Phoenix. I like your threads because they make me think. You should start more. :agree: ;)

[Gliondrach]

There are not such things as masculine or feminine characteristics. Only human ones. Courage isn't only for men. Compassion isn't only for women. I have both in spades.

Men and women are different, though. Equal but different. Women are better at cleaning, cooking and shopping. And if they are not better they should be because that's how Nature intended them to be.

Was I upset? Yes - deeply. But I'm too much of a man to cry about it.

[Oracl]

If I ignore Gliondrach's remarks will it just draw attention to them?! :rolleyes: :D

[Raven]

Very interesting thread.
I have always been attracted to tall lean men who i feel can protect me (from what i dont know) but i dont like to be made to feel like i need looking after :dizzy:
Anyway, never been into beer swilling men, prefer the more gentle nature and salad eaters myself but not the ones that hog the mirror :shy:

[Alistair]

You Are 53% Feminine, 47% Masculine

http://images.blogthings.com/areyoumasculineorfemininequiz/gender-3.jpg

You are in touch with both your feminine and masculine sides.
You're sensitive at the right times, but you don't let your emotions overwhelm you.
You're not a eunuch, just the best of both genders.

Are You Masculine or Feminine?

http://www.blogthings.com/areyoumasculineorfemininequiz/

I did a faces test - to see if I like male or female faces more - and surprise surprise - I like male! Duh! :P

[thevegantwins]

I've always been considered to be a 'tomboy', hate makeup and girly clothes etc. Does that make me masculine? I don't give a shit whether it does or not, it's just how I feel. I hope to raise my children to avoid those gender-stereotypes and I think the fact that we don't have television will help enormously.

One thing that bothered me last week is that we keep 2 hats for the kids in our car. Ben picked up Sarah's green floral hat and placed it on his head. My husband freaked out saying that he didn't want Ben seen in public with that hat on. Come on, Ben is 2 years old. I think it's ridiculous that it's perfectly fine for Sarah to put Ben's denim hat on her head but Ben can't wear the floral hat on his head. I have to keep training my husband!!

[dreamer]

I know what you mean...I remember seeing a John Stossel "news" special on gender (and he recently had one on race, gender, and stereotypes) that really annoyed me. He went on and on about how gender differences are almost entirely inherent/genetic, with one of his main "proofs" that he and his wife treated their children in "unisex" fashion. First of all, I seriously doubt that they were raising their children gender neutral and I can almost guarantee that they watch TV programming that does not come across as gender neutral and are exposed to other influences (teachers, peers, etc) who encourage "gender-appropriate" behavior. Now I do believe there are differences (including due to genetics and hormones), but society does play a part in how we turn out--including our genders. I know having two older brothers, I was quite the tomboy myself as I wanted them to think I was "cool" while my mom seemed dismayed that I wasn't a frilly little girl. Now I enjoy dressing up and being frilly (still don't wear makeup though) at times, but I also like being able to just be myself even if that includes being a slob at times too:soap:

[Oracl]

I have to keep training my husband!!
Good luck! :lol:

[Raven]

The VT there is a little boy that my old childminder looks after and he wont go out of the house without his pink floral summer hat on. :colors: Arrh

[Phoenix]

No, I wasn't upset Phoenix. I like your threads because they make me think. You should start more. :agree: ;)
Thank you so much, Bowwowmeow. That means alot! :yea:

But I still can't find the "do you like male or female faces" test thingy you and veganblue both mentioned. :hbang: Can anyone supply a link perhaps? Please?

[paul]

been trying to find it myself :hbang: :dizzy: :dunce:

[thevegantwins]

been trying to find it myselfhttp:hbang: :dizzy: :dunce:
Look in post #22 on this page, veganblue put a link to the quiz. :professor:

[Phoenix]

Look in post #22 on this page, veganblue put a link to the quiz. :professor:
Thank you ... I'm a :dunce:

EDIT: I've been in front of this computer too long :tired: and I am a :dunce: but the link veganblue put in is not a link to the quiz I was looking for. :rubchin: I'm searching :magnify: for one about prefering male or female faces - it sounds interesting.

[paul]

Look in post #22 on this page, veganblue put a link to the quiz. :professor:
isnt that the massculine/ feminine. one, i was trying to find the faces

[Phoenix]

Seems that we're lost in (cyber)space together, Paul. :dizzy:

[thevegantwins]

isnt that the massculine/ feminine. one, i was trying to find the faces
Oops, can't help you, I can't find it either. We need the Wise Fauxmage or Oracl to guide us. :reading:

[paul]

the wise ones:master:

[paul]

Seems that we're lost in (cyber)space together, Paul. :dizzy:
i cant think of anyone i would rather be lost in cyberspacewith :agree:

[Oracl]

I think I know the quiz you are referring to. :agree: I remember doing it ages ago. :rubchin: I will do some searches for it and see what I can find. :updn:

[Bowwowmeow]

Voila! (http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml)

[paul]

thanks BWM, and thank you Oracl. i shall do it as soon as this pooter speeds up, its so slow to day.

[Alistair]

Look in post #22 on this page, veganblue put a link to the quiz. :professor:

Crumbs - I should have looked for it - I left the link to the original one - thankfully we have Bowwowmeow. :D

[Alistair]

SEX I.D. - Your sex i.d. profile

Your overall performance
The scale below is an indication of where you fall in the male-female brain continuum. The results are based on the angles, spot the difference, 3D shapes and words tasks.

( I got 50% on the males side - the average score for males.)

Part 1 Angle

This task tested your ability to identify the angle of a line by matching it with its twin. This is a spatial task, which looks at how you picture space.
Your score: 19 out of 20
Average score for men: 15.1 out of 20
Average score for women: 13.3 out of 20

What does your result suggest?

If you scored 18 - 20: You have more of a male brain. On average, men outperform women in this task and those with more mathematical knowledge tend to score quite high as well. In past studies, 60 per cent of the people in this range were men.

Interestingly, men's testosterone levels fluctuate through the seasons and studies have shown that men's scores are lower in the spring, when their testosterone levels are at their lowest.

Spot the difference


This task tested your ability to identify which objects changed position. You lost points, if you incorrectly identified objects.
Your score: 29%
Average score for men: 39%
Average score for women: 46%

What does your score suggest?

If you scored between 0 - 33%: You may have more of a male brain. Scientists say men tend to under perform in this task. The corpus callosum, the part of the brain that links the right and left hemispheres, is a fifth larger in women. This means women can process visual and other signals at the same time more easily than men. There is also a theory that oestrogen levels in women give them an added advantage in spatial memory.

Part 2 Hands

You said your left thumb was on top when you clasped your hands together.

Left thumb on top: This suggests the right half of your brain is dominant. Some studies theorise that as a right brain dominant person, you may excel in visual, spatial and intuitive processes.

Part 3 Emotions and Systems

Empathising

Your empathy score is: 9 out of 20
Average score for men: 7.9 out of 20
Average score for women: 10.6 out of 20

What does your result suggest?

Empathisers are better at accurately judging other people's emotions and responding appropriately. If you scored 15 and above, you are very empathic and would be an ideal person to comfort people in a time of crisis. Women in general are better at empathising.

Systemising

Your systemising score is: 12 out of 20
Average score for men: 12.5 out of 20
Average score for women: 8.0 out of 20

What does your result suggest?

Systemisers prefer to investigate how systems work. A system can be a road map, flat pack furniture, or a mathematical equation – anything that follows a set of rules. A score of 15 and above suggests you're good at analysing or building systems. Men in general are better at systemising.

Scientists are keen to learn more about people who score high or low on both tests. They want to find out whether or not empathising and systemising are linked. Is a possible to make yourself more empathic?

Eyes

This task tested your ability to judge people's emotions.
Your score: 7 out of 10
Average score for men: 6.6 out of 10
Average score for women: 6.6 out of 10

What does your result suggest?

If you scored 7 - 10: Your result suggests you are a good empathiser, sensitive to other people's emotions. Women generally fall into this category.

Part 4 Fingers


We asked you to measure your ring and index fingers. Your ratios came to:
Right Hand: 1
Left Hand: 0.92

Average ratio for men: 0.982
Average ratio for women: 0.991

Men generally have a ring finger that is longer than their index finger, which gives them a lower ratio than women, whose ring and index fingers are usually of equal length.

Part 5 Faces

Your choices suggest you prefer more masculine faces.

Highly masculinised male faces possess more extreme testosterone markers such as a long, broad and lower jaw, as well as more pronounced brow ridges and cheekbones.

Part 6 3D shapes

This task tested your ability to mentally rotate 3D shapes.

Your score: 12 out of 12
Average score for men: 8.2 out of 12
Average score for women: 7.1 out of 12

What does your result suggest?

If you scored 10 - 12: Are you an engineer or do you have a science background? People with these skills tend to score in this range. Past studies have concluded that people in this range have a more male brain.

Nearly a third of men who took this test got full marks, whereas less than 10 per cent of women managed the same.

Words

This task looked at your verbal fluency.

Your score: you associated 9 word(s) with grey and you named 13 word(s) that mean happy. We are assuming that all the words you entered are correct.
Average score for men: 11.4 words total
Average score for women: 12.4 words total

What does your result suggest?

If you produced 6 - 10 words: Most people in this range have a female-type brain.

Ultimatum

This task asked you how you would divide money.

If you had to split £50 with someone, you said you would demand £25

So far on the Sex ID test, men have demanded 51.6% (£25.80) of the pot and women have demanded 51.0% (£25.50), on average.

What does your response suggest?

Sex differences are small in this task. Demanding less than 60% of the pot (ie £30) is more typically female. Demanding more than 65% of the pot (ie £32.50) is more typically male.

Scientists believe that people with lower testosterone levels tend to take fewer risks so they are probably more willing to keep less for themselves. Those with higher testosterone levels tend to drive a harder bargain and are less compromising.

Men's testosterone levels fluctuate over the seasons and are at their lowest levels during the springtime. This is said to influence their bargaining power.

[Oracl]

Voila! (http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml)
Thanks, BWM. :nanakiss:

[Phoenix]

Thank you BWM & Oracl. That was very interesting. :agree:

Apparently I prefer masculine faces (no surprise there) but I also have more of a male brain overall - which is confusing since I'm a straight woman. :dizzy:

[BonaDrag]

***You Are 44% Feminine, 56% Masculine***

You are in touch with both your feminine and masculine sides.
You're sensitive at the right times, but you don't let your emotions overwhelm you.
You're not a eunuch, just the best of both genders.

[1vegan]

or a person’s manner of being? :bi:

Personally, I find a man who eats salad :eat: extremely masculine and sexy. :wolfwhis:



I've been thinking long about this, but if there is one "thing" that sort of is "mannly" ....

"we men" we say things in a rough way, we/some men show that they care in a bold or rude way.

I'm male, and when a co-worker was standing on a deskchair to get some decoration from the ceiling.....I said ;

"hey you dangerous fool, what ya think you're doing?!"


That's the "man" approach if you wanna say "will you be carefull please, I'd hate to see you get hurt" :shy:

*I'll get back on the salad part ;)

[Alistair]

"hey you dangerous fool, what ya think you're doing?!"


:lol: are you sure the wording was ''you dangerous fool'' or has that been thoughtfully censored? ;)

[1vegan]

:lol: are you sure the wording was ''you dangerous fool'' or has that been thoughtfully censored? ;)

I work in an office, and am often the only male in the department, I've got enough control to avoid the F word at work ;)

[1vegan]

*I'll get back on the salad part ;)

I don't only eat them, but can make them too ;)

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um... yeah, that orange thing is the salad dryer bowl, maybe it's very masculine to eat out of such a thing?

[my3labs]

Yummy salads, 1vegan!!

I think a very sexy trait for a man or woman is a sense of humor. I dig funny people.
Compassion is also a huge turn on, as is having a back bone.

[paul]

compasion, a sense of humor and a dark sense of humor, some one who stands up for what they believe in, even if i dont agree with them, i admire some one who will fight for there believes, (not necersery phisical fight).:rollingpin:

[Phoenix]

I don't only eat them, but can make them too ;)


Oooohhhh ... are you single, 1vegan? :flirt:

[1vegan]

Oooohhhh ... are you single, 1vegan? :flirt:

:agree: :flirt:

[paul]

AAaaahhhh :violin: :fireworks: :luvbird: :luvbird:
:bouncehearts: :beatingheart: :winkheart:

[Phoenix]

:agree: :flirt:

:yea: Next important question: are you by any chance 42 or older? :friends:

[Phoenix]

AAaaahhhh :violin: :fireworks: :luvbird: :luvbird:
:bouncehearts: :beatingheart: :winkheart:

Thanks Paul. :psmooch:

[1vegan]

:yea: Next important question: are you by any chance 42 or older? :friends:

I turned 39 today :princess:

[paul]

happy birthday 1 vegan.


thats very close to 42 phoenix.:whistle:

[thevegantwins]

:fworks: :redb: :champagne::card: :redb: :champagne: :fworks:

Happy Birthday 1vegan!

:bdayballoons: :celebrate: :blowtickler: :bdayballoons: :celebrate: :blowtickler: :bdayballoons: :celebrate: :blowtickler: :bdayballoons:

To be repeated in the birthday thread (http://www.thenakedvegan.net/showthread.php?p=12656#post12656)...

[Gliondrach]

Yes, Happy Birthday, 1Vegan!

[Phoenix]

happy birthday 1 vegan.


thats very close to 42 phoenix.:whistle:
Not close enough unfortunately, Paul. :no:

I'm once bitten, twice shy ... and not prepared to write anymore about it in a public place. :zip:

[KRITER]

The test was fun.But I dont reckon I did good.
And happy birthday 1vegan.