Please say a little prayer ...

[dreamer]

I know you're sad about your housemate possibly not being able to come home. But it sounds like she's in a good place now as well:)

I hope things work out with Kristin too:crossfingers:

Keep us up to date about what's happening!

[Gliondrach]

I'll continue sending your housemate good thoughts, Phoenix.

[my3labs]

Wow, Phoenix. That's pretty scary. Good wishes coming from the lab family!!

[dreamer]

My aunt's gangrene has moved further up her leg. Due to that and other health issues, the doctors told her yesterday that she has a week or two to live at most:(

[Bowwowmeow]

Oh no. :( I'm so sorry dreamer. :comfort: :hug: :grouphug2:

[thevegantwins]

:comfort: I'm sorry, dreamer. Rough news again.

[Gliondrach]

That's very sad, Dreamer. I hope they can at least make your aunt comfortable.

[my3labs]

I'm sorry Dreamer.

[Tails4wagging]

Is this poor lady on Morphine?. Hope so.

[Oracl]

I am so sorry, dreamer. :sorry: :comfort:

[dreamer]

My mom said that hospice is supposed to get involved, so I hope her pain will be well managed. I just hope that this is the last death in the family for a while. What really worries me is the impact all these deaths (of family members whom my parents were really close to) are having a negative impact on my parents' health, especially my mom--who has heart problems. I guess it's kinda selfish to think more of my mom than the people who are actually dying, but that's my main worry right now--even though I am also saddened by the loss of my uncles and (soon) my aunt.

[thevegantwins]

I don't think it is selfish at all, dreamer. It is natural to worry more about those who we are close to rather than someone who is more distant. :bmoon:

[Gliondrach]

As TVT said, it's not selfish to be more worried about those who are closer to you.

[Tails4wagging]

Give your mum a hug and be proud of that.

You dont need to say anything just be tactile and grieve together.

Your mum will be greatful for all the support you can give and together you will cope.

Having lost most of my close family over the years. I can empathise.

[Gliondrach]

How is Kristin, My3labs?

[Gliondrach]

How is your aunt, Dreamer?

[dreamer]

How is your aunt, Dreamer?

She died late last night.

[thevegantwins]

:comfort: dreamer

[Gliondrach]

Sorry to hear that, Dreamer. You are in my thoughts.

[Oracl]

So sorry, dreamer. :sorry: :(

[Phoenix]

Condolences, Dreamer.

[dreamer]

This year has been so horrible so far...yesterday I woke up to find my bunny (Esther) dead. She hadn't shown any symptoms and was even eating when I went to bed the night before. My vet had me drive her up to a diagnostic lab, so I had to take off work in order to do so. I haven't heard back yet, but my vet was worried that it might be something that could endanger my second bunny (a toxin, bacteria, etc) and that's why he thought it important to go to the lab where they can test for such things if necessary. Last night I rechecked Mordie (the living bunny) and found that some bald places on her feet have come back too. I talked to the vet and he said to put the salve he gave me b4 on it, but that I'd need to bring her in if they don't get better ASAP. I also had to take in a poop sample from her because he wanted to look for any problems in the digestive tract with her as a precaution. And, of course, I started my period yesterday, so I'm emotionally at my worst anyway. So Mordie needs prayer that she's OK and I need prayer to just get through this:crying:

[thevegantwins]

:comfort: I'm so sorry, dreamer. :crossfingers: I hope all is well with Mordie. Was Esther old?

[dreamer]

They were sisters and she would've been five years old in a little over 2 weeks. I've had them four years, as I got them from a rescue group when my previous bunny died. I do think I gave her the best home I could, but this is the third bunny I've lost in about 5 years. The other two didn't even make it to 5 years old. I hope the necropsy shows something and that it's nothing contagious or my fault.

[thevegantwins]

I'm sure it wasn't your fault, dreamer. It might be something environmental or contagious but obviously, that wouldn't be your fault. I have a friend who rescues bunnies and she has had quite a few deaths in the past 3 years that I've known her. I don't know much about rabbits but it seems like they have a harder time surviving than other rescued animals like cats and dogs.

[dreamer]

I just spoke to the vet who did the necropsy and he said that there was nothing obvious in the gross exam. They have sent off tissue cultures to check for bacteria and other contagions. He also said that it is not uncommon for rabbits to die and seem outwardly fine. According to him, most pet rabbits they examine have not given their caregivers any signs and the next morning they're just dead. So he didn't think it was anything I did or didn't do. It is more difficult to care for rabbits than cats or dogs IMO...it almost makes me want to stop having rabbits. But not quite...I just love their little personalities and can't imagine life w/o a bunny. However, if this turns out to be something that might be contagious and hard to erradicate from my home, I probably wouldn't get future rabbits for fear of losing them this way.

[Oracl]

I'm so sorry, dreamer. :sorry: :comfort:

[dreamer]

How long is their lifespan?. If they were rescued and you had them for over five years. I would have said they were old?. Perhaps Esther died of old age then?.
I thought the lifespan for small buns was about 5 years, but I just read that's for unaltered bunnies and mine are spayed. (Unaltered female buns usually die of uterine cancer often around 2-3 years old.) I have/had the buns for almost 4 years and they were almost 5 (they were 13 months old when I got them). So it wasn't just "old age" unfortunately.

Thanks everyone for the comfort. Hopefully I'll know something the middle of next week...something good for Mordie:crossfingers:

[Gliondrach]

Sorry to hear about little Esther, Dreamer. Thoughts of health for Mordie, and thoughts of strength for you. Esther had the best life she could have had after being rescued. Mordie will need extra attention to help her to adjust.

[dreamer]

Thanks, Gliondrach. I don't really know what to do for Mordie, as neither of my buns liked human attention much, but I have been talking more to her and making sure she's eating. She seems suprisingly OK with being alone, but maybe she just doesn't realize how final this is. I don't know though, I think animals often know more than we do about such things. Today she even did a momentary "binky": a bunny hop/dance. I am also having to put meds on her feet (where she has some red bald spots) and I'm gently taking out her sheding hair while I have her up on the table. This is the third time Mordie has had these places on her feet, so this time I'm going to keep putting the salve on there for at least a week after she seems better I think.

[Gliondrach]

This is a British site but there might be some useful info:
ht tp://ww w.galensgarden.co.uk/

h ttp://ww w.galensgarden.co.uk/links/rabbit.php

ht tp://ww w.galensgarden.co.uk/links/complementary.php


ht tp://w ww.alternativevet.org/herbs.htm

It has a section about rabbits at the bottom of the page but most of the entries are still in preparation. It might be useful to look at it again in a few months.


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American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association Tel 1-410-569-0795
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According to this

ht tp://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/index.php

Galen's Garden has a forum, but I didn't see one.

[Phoenix]

Sorry for your loss, Dreamer. I hope Mordie is on the mend. And you too. :comfort:

[dreamer]

The results came back and Esther died of Pasteurella. The vet gave Mordie an antibiotic shot and she was supposed to get another today. However, he told me it'd be safer to wait a day or so because she wasn't eating quite as much as normal. So if in the next day or two she eats normally, he wants to give her one more antibiotic shot. He said this was mainly a precaution in case she too has Pasteurella (he said it was often a "silent killer").

[thevegantwins]

Good luck Mordie and you, dreamer.

[Gliondrach]

I hope Mordie doesn't have that.

[dreamer]

I'm afraid she probably does have it. From what I've read, most bunnies do. I don't really know if two antibiotic shots would wipe it out either, but I do generally trust my vet because he seems to care. (When Esther died, he told me all the stuff he looked up to see if he could think of any possibilities that would take her w/o symptoms.)

[Oracl]

Fingers crossed for you, Mordie. :crossfingers:

[Gliondrach]

Good thoughts for Mordie.

[dreamer]

Thanks everyone for the prayers/thoughts. I spoke to the vet and he wants to go ahead and give her the one last shot tomorrow, even though she's still not 100% eating normally. He said he's going to go to an on-line vet center and post about Mordie's case to see if they've got any different suggestions. I told him I was sorry for being so worried about her and he assured me that I had reason, so I didn't need to apologize. I really think I've got a couple of really great vets:uhuh: [He also said the cookies were REALLY good and wanted the recipe!]

[thevegantwins]

Wow, great vet, dreamer. I've had horrible vets over the past years though the one we found most recently (he's vegetarian) seems good. Just very pricey.

[dreamer]

Wow, great vet, dreamer. I've had horrible vets over the past years though the one we found most recently (he's vegetarian) seems good. Just very pricey.
I've had a few horrible vets too, but I really like both of the vets at the practice I go to. They're husband and wife, though the husband is the "exotic" animal vet--which technically rabbits are:rolleyes: The wife is pretty much veggie, but the husband says he occasionally eats meat. I don't think they're cheap, though he did do Mordie's recent exam and treatment gratis--I think because I got Esther's ashes back (so I was crying) when I went. This time I'll have to pay for the shot, but I really don't expect free vet services. They're just really good caring people it seems like to me. The vet I was going to b4 them was all $ hungry and would try to guilt you into stuff. Also at times they'd get annoyed with me when I told them stuff I'd read, whereas these vets seem willing to listen and will research for themselves if they're not sure. Like my kitty responds rather negatively to shots and they said it was OK to not get her innoculated since she's totally an inside cat. (She's also had shots for years, so there's a good chance that the "big" stuff she's still protected against.) They also said it was OK to only get my pup his shots every 3 years because yearly shots were unnecessary.

[thevegantwins]

Our current vet agreed too about not vaccinating Felíne since she's an indoor cat. I think alot of vets push shots just for extra money. Previous vets didn't seem to really care much about animals. :confused:

[dreamer]

Yeah, some vets do push shots for the $. They sometimes also argue that if they didn't make people feel that they NEED shots every year, they'd be less likely to bring their animals for yearly checkups:rolleyes:

I think most people go into vet school at least partially because they love animals, but lots of vet schools have you do some pretty horrible things to animals for "practice" in different techniques/surgeries. That probably takes some of the caring away from the person. Then some vets have a "know it all" attitude, so they just look at animals as almost unfeeling machines and the caregiver as a "know nothing." But vets also have to put up with some pretty neglectful caregivers, which also probably wears on them. I know when I was younger, I thought I wanted to be a vet. But I realized that they'd make you take lots of classes where you'd dissect and sometimes practically vivisect animals, so I gave up on that. Now I'm glad I did because I KNOW I'd lose a majority of the human caregivers because I wouldn't be silent when they did stupid or careless things. I'd also probably have 100 animals because people want to "put down" or get rid of perfectly fine animals, so I'd probably end up with them:rolleyes:

[thevegantwins]

Now I'm glad I did because I KNOW I'd lose a majority of the human caregivers because I wouldn't be silent when they did stupid or careless things. I'd also probably have 100 animals because people want to "put down" or get rid of perfectly fine animals, so I'd probably end up with them:rolleyes:

I understand completely. Can you imagine what you would be saying to people who came in with a healthy dog/cat/rabbit that they wanted to get rid of because they were moving/having a baby/animal didn't match the new furniture etc.? I'd be screaming daily. :tantrum:

[Phoenix]

The 40 yr old hubby of an Internet-friend of mine (in the US) is extremely ill with Lyme's Disease. It went undiagnosed / misdiagnosed for a couple of years and now the treatment is making him worse before it makes him better. :(

I don't know anything about the disease but apparently it may have done too much damage already and the gentleman may not have a very long life expectancy. My friend is having difficulty coping with the stress of the situation and her guilt over her own feelings about not coping ...

So any prayers / good thoughts for my friend and her hubby would be deeply appreciated.

[paul]

positive thoughts going there way.

[Gliondrach]

Will do. What's his name? Or hers, if you don't know his. Always easier to have a 'target' in mind.

[Oracl]

Positive thoughts from me too. :) :colors:

[thevegantwins]

That's sad, Phoenix. Thoughts to your friend and her husband. I don't know anyone who died from Lyme's but it is fairly common around here. If you get it treated promptly, recovery is pretty easy. I'm always a bit paranoid when we are at the farm because there are loads of ticks there. So far, neither the kids or I have ever had one on us.

[Phoenix]

positive thoughts going there way.

Thanks Paul. :)

Will do. What's his name? Or hers, if you don't know his. Always easier to have a 'target' in mind.

Thanks :) and I PM'd you Gliondrach, since I didn't ask their permission before sharing their business here ...

Positive thoughts from me too. :) :colors:

Thanks Oracl. :)

Isnt that you get from ticks?. You can get it just by brushing against such as ferns and get a tick on you, yuk.

Hope he pulls through Ok..

Thanks Tails. :) Yes, I believe that it is a tick-borne disease.

That's sad, Phoenix. Thoughts to your friend and her husband. I don't know anyone who died from Lyme's but it is fairly common around here. If you get it treated promptly, recovery is pretty easy. I'm always a bit paranoid when we are at the farm because there are loads of ticks there. So far, neither the kids or I have ever had one on us.

Thanks TVT. :) He has been ill for more than two years [I think] and it was misdiagnosed as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. For some reason the antibiotics are making it worse before it gets better. :( Apparently it has affected his brain functioning now and he is having seizures.

[dreamer]

My uncle Ben, who recently (like about a month ago) lost his second wife to illness, is in the hospital after planning to commit suicide:( Please send positive thoughts to him.

[Gliondrach]

That's a shame. Good thoughts will soon be on their way.

[Oracl]

Positive thoughts on their way. :colors:

[Phoenix]

So sorry Dreamer. I'll pray for him.

[Gliondrach]

How is your uncle Ben, Dreamer?

[dreamer]

Last I heard, he was supposed to get to go home...he should be home if things went as expected. He was supposedly feeling a lot better and eating normally last time my parents heard anything. His immediate family is supposed to stay with him for a bit to make sure he's really back to normal.

[Gliondrach]

Good news!

[Oracl]

:agree:

[dreamer]

I know normally this is a place to ask for prayers that are more about small personal relationships, I have a request that deals more with the "world stage." Please pray that Obama wins the U.S. Presidency. Though neither candidate is perfect, I think Obama would be better for not just the U.S., but for those that the U.S. deals with. I normally don't pray about politics, but this is an exception after the last horrible 8 years under dumbya.

[Bunny]

I hope he gets in. *crosses fingers and wishes*

[Bunny]

Could people please think of me tomorrow. I am at court with my evil ex about my little boy tomorrow. The psychological reports have come through and the psychologist believes that unsupervised contact would be dangerous for A, but courts don't always listen. I am hoping we'll get to go to a full court case with all evidence heard and then things may work out for the best.

[Gliondrach]

Good luck, Bunny. Good thoughts will be with you. What time will you be in court?

[Gliondrach]

Dreamer, don't worry. Obama will win.

[Oracl]

Thinking of you, Bunny. :hug:

Thinking positive Obama thoughts too. :uhuh:

[1vegan]

I'm not sure I should be posting this, but I know that TVT can't get online here when she's at work, and I think she might be too busy to be online when she does get home.

I read on another forum that TVT mum has died.
I guess I'm in shock still. We never had a good relationship and things have been very bad lately. We stopped talking a few weeks ago. The kids won't miss her, they've probably spent a total of 5 hours with her the last 4 years. I'm at work and I'm not quite up to doing a 20 mile drive home right now so I'm staying the rest of the day. The funeral is Thursday, my husband's birthday, and I have to see family that I can't stand who will be thinking horrible things about me that my mom told them and they believed. I have a burning pit in my stomach as well as a wicked headache. I found out my dad died when my evil sister-in-law called me at my dorm when I was 18 so I guess I should just stop accepting phone calls from that part of the family, whom I don't particularly care for anyway.

I didn't mean to make this a whiny, pathetic post. I really don't know how to feel right now.

This probably sounds bizarre but I'm actually feeling less shaky the more work I do. I'm dealing with a case this afternoon where a woman shows up downstairs saying she is homeless with her 14 year old son. We've had this client for years and years and she's never had a child with her. This kid appeared from nowhere. She claims her mother was raising the kid and grandma decided she doesn't want to raise a teenager so she gave the kid back to his mom, our client. I have to figure out if A) we are going to place the client in the shelter B) what are we going to do about the 14 year old. I just told the social worker to call child protective services to let them know about this kid.

My union contract gives me 3 bereavement days which I'm taking tomorrow, Thursday and Monday. Tuesday is a holiday for us as is the following Tuesday and I had already put in for vacation time so I'll have off from tomorrow until Nov. 12th. I'm looking forward to that.

I know it's a bit weird and uncommon to drag stuff from another forum onto here (with quotes and all), but I thought this was worthy of an exception.

I'll be thinking of TVT and sending her good vibes. :comfort: :hug:

[Oracl]

Thanks for letting us know, 1vegan. I will be thinking of TVT too. That is very sad news. :sorry: She needs our support. :hug:

[Soynut]

So, so sad... my thoughts are with her.:hug:

[Bunny]

My thoughts are with TVT too. I hope things are okay with you TVT. You sound like a strong and lovely woman and I will be thinking of you. :hug:


Thank you for all your thoughts :)
I am in court at 2pm (GMT) and we won't know al that much today. I am expecting my ex to dispute the psych reports and cause a fuss. I feel sick to my stomach, but I should be used to it now..

[Raven]

Such sad news, i hope TVT is ok.

Good luck bunny :hug:

[Gliondrach]

We'll be thinking of you tomorrow, TVT. :hug: I hope our thoughts will help you in some way if you need it.

[dreamer]

Dreamer, don't worry. Obama will win.

I hope you're right...McCain/Palin would be a horror:sigh:

[If you're around, TVT, I'm going to email you about your mom.]

[thevegantwins]

Thanks all for your kind thoughts. I fluctuate between feeling like nothing has changed in my life since my mother has not been part of my life for so long anyway to wondering if it will impact me later to dreading seeing extended family members at the funeral tomorrow to being grateful that I have so many wonderful friends in real life and online. :nanakiss:

[Raven]

I dont see my mum anymore and i have been asked how i would feel if she passed away, to be honest i dont know how i would feel. I would hate to feel guilty when i feel i am doing the best thing for my sanity but i dont know, maybe i should give it one more try and see how things turn out. My thoughts are with you X

[thevegantwins]

I'm ok. The funeral was pretty much as expected but worse than I expected if that makes sense. Everything was graveside. The kids had to pee so we stopped at the administration building which turned out where each funeral (there were 10 that day) met up. I saw my stepbrother, evil sister-in-law and my stupid mean stepnieces standing there so I went up to say hello and offer condolences. My stepbrother grumbled hello but the others turned their backs on me. Ben & Sarah came up next and the Evil Brigade refused to acknowledged them as well. My Evil Sister-In-Law's Evil Mother was outside and she turned her head as I walked by and was crying to my mom's best friend over the loss of my mother. Bullshit. This is the woman who had my stepbrother and Evil Sister-In-Law not talking to my parents for years and refused to invite them to my stepbrother's wedding to Evil SIL. At the graveside, the rabbi was saying prayers and Sarah loudly announced that she farted. Then she announced she was hungry (it was after 1pm, the rabbi was late). When it was time for family members to shovel dirt on the coffin, my stepbrother went first followed by Evil SIL. The rabbi kept trying to give me the shovel but my Stupid Stepniece grabbed it. Finally, he was able to give me the shovel. After Mr TVT took his turn, Sarah announced she wanted to say goodbye to Grandma Esta. She went with Mr TVT and shoveled dirt then Ben asked to do the same so he did. After they finished, they both started laughing. They thought shoveling dirt was incredibly funny. The rabbi gave the eulogy about how honest and how much integrity my mother had (HA!) and how she never talked about anyone (HAHAHA) and how my Evil Sister In Law was like a daughter to her (:crazy:) and lots of stories about how much she loved her stepgrandchildren and they loved her. They even mentioned how much my mother loved England and loved travelling there but no mention that the only reason she ever started travelling there was because of me. In fact, anyone listening would not have known she actually had a daughter or grandchildren. After the service, the rabbi announced that Evil Sister In Law's Evil Mother was having food at her house. We didn't go. So that's it. I won't write here what I thought when I shoveled the dirt on my mother's coffin but lets just say, it wasn't very nice.

[Gliondrach]

Just wish them well and then forget about them.

[dreamer]

I'm glad you've put that behind you now, but I'm sure it was hard. Sounds like your kids had some fun though;)

[Oracl]

Move on. :agree:

[Soynut]

It's nice seeing you here again, TVT. You have created your own little family now that you love and gives you so much joy. I hope you'll be able to eventually leave all the old family drama behind you.

[Gliondrach]

Yes. Have done. Will do again.

[Oracl]

Ditto. :sorry:

[Oracl]

That's good news. :)

[Phoenix]

Tabitha, I'm not a Christian, but I do have strong spiritual beliefs. I'll send up prayers for you and your family. :comfort:

[Gliondrach]

I'll be sending her good thoughts. What's her name?

The Penny Brohn centre is very good. It used to be the Bristol Cancer Centre. I used to be a volunteer at a cancer support group and they followed the Bristol Cancer Centre methods. They advocate an almost vegan diet. The only non-vegan thing is ghee, which they use because they say it doesn't produce carcinogens at cooking temperatures. They have a very good cookery book.

[Fauxmage]

Im an atheist, but please could you send good thoughts or whatever you like to do to my poor step mother who has been fighting liver cancer for over 5 years now.
I am too tabitha, but I still think that it is possible to send good thoughts to people. I do it all the time. :colors:

[Gliondrach]

Right.

[Oracl]

I'm sending positive thoughts to Marion. :colors:

[Gliondrach]

Good thoughts needed for Feline of TheVeganTwins' Family. Sue says she took Feline to the vet because of a lump. And the vet found another one. Feline will be having a biopsy on 7th October. Please send good thoughts for this special pussy cat. Sue is understandably worried. :hug:

[Bowwowmeow]

:(

[Gliondrach]

Feline will be having her biopsy in a few hours from now - Thursday the 7th. Please send good thoughts. :hug:

[Gliondrach]

Feline had her biopsy on Thursday. They found a third lump. She recoved well but they kept her in overnight because her operation wound was oozing. TVT will get the results next week.

Please keep sending good thoughts. :hug:

[Gliondrach]

:yea: :fireworks:

Though Feline's biopsied lumps were malignant there is no sign of anything nasty in the surrounding cells from where they were removed. The growth rate in the lumps was a 1, with 10 as the most aggressive and 1 as the least aggressive. No further procedures are required except monitoring. But the vet suggested that Feline sees an oncologist who might suggest a round of chemotherapy just to make sure there aren't any rogue cancer cells. An appointment has been made for the 23rd of this month.

:colors: :hug:

[Bowwowmeow]

Aw that's good. Chemotherapy is rough though. Often kills the animal quicker than the cancer. :(

[gabbles]

:yea: for Feline.

[Gliondrach]

Feline still needs lots of good thoughts. The vet, who is not experienced in oncology, gave the wrong diagnosis. Two of the tumours are not serious but the other one is. The oncologist says that treatment is needed. TVT and Mr TVT will have to decide what to do.

So, please keep sending good thoughts to Feline.

Here she is:

[Bowwowmeow]

:(

[gabbles]

:(

Feline is a beautiful cat.

[Gliondrach]

Feline had chemotherapy on Sunday. TVT said that she tolerated it very well and wasn't sick in the days after it. She will be going for more.

[gabbles]

:hug:

[Gliondrach]

Very sad news. Feline was put to sleep on Friday, the 7th of January. She had fatty liver disease and was experiening liver failure. Sue and her family are understandably very upset. I am, too, as I'm sure everyone who knew of Feline is.

Rest in peace, little angel.

:colors: :hug:

[Bowwowmeow]

:(

[nagev]

:(

[Bowwowmeow]

My friend in Covent Garden could use some good thoughts right now. A brick just bounced off his window. We are chatting at the moment, and I am getting very scared for him.

[Gliondrach]

Will send some when I log off the internet, which will be soon.

[Bowwowmeow]

Thank you. He's deaf. Someone came ringing his doorbell, which causes his lights to flash, but no one was at the door when he went to look. He says there is a fire down the street. :(