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Bowwowmeow
05-02-2006, 08:53 PM
Study Shows Americans Sicker Than English


By CARLA K. JOHNSON and MIKE STOBBE (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
May 02, 2006 12:19 PM EDT
CHICAGO - Middle-aged, white Americans are much sicker than their counterparts in England, startling new research shows, despite U.S. health care spending per person that's more than double what England spends.
A higher rate of Americans tested positive for diabetes and heart disease than the English. Americans also self-reported more diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, lung disease and cancer.
The gap between the countries holds true for educated and uneducated, rich and poor.
"At every point in the social hierarchy there is more illness in the United States than in England and the differences are really dramatic," said study co-author Dr. Michael Marmot, an epidemiologist at University College London in England.
The study, appearing in Wednesday's Journal of the American Medical Association, adds context to the already-known fact that the United States spends more on health care than any other industrialized nation, yet trails in rankings of life expectancy.
The United States spends about $5,200 per person on health care while England spends about half that in adjusted dollars.
"Everybody should be discussing it: Why isn't the richest country in the world the healthiest country in the world?" Marmot said.
"It's something of a mystery," said Richard Suzman of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, which helped fund the study.
The researchers looked for answers in the data, which came from government-sponsored health surveys. The research was supported by grants from government agencies in both countries. A U.S. researcher from the Rand Corp. was on the team.
Smoking rates are about the same on both sides of the pond. The English have a higher rate of heavy drinking, but a higher percentage of Americans are obese.
The researchers crunched numbers to create a hypothetical statistical world in which the English had American lifestyle risk factors, including being as fat as Americans. In that model, the researchers found Americans still would be sicker.
Only non-Hispanic whites were included in the study to eliminate the influence of racial disparities. The researchers looked only at people ages 55 through 64, and the average age of the samples was the same.
Americans reported twice the rate of diabetes compared to the English: 12.5 percent versus 6 percent. For high blood pressure, it was 42 percent for Americans versus 34 percent for the English; cancer showed up in 9.5 percent of Americans compared to 5.5 percent of English.
The upper crust in both countries was healthier than middle-class and low-income people in the same country. But richer Americans' health status resembled the health of the low-income British.
Health experts have known the U.S. population is less healthy than that of other industrialized nations, according to several important measurements. U.S. life expectancy, for example, ranks behind that of about two dozen other countries, according to the World Health Organization.
Some have believed the U.S. has lagged because it has a more ethnically diverse population than some of the higher-ranking countries, said Suzman, who heads the National Institute on Aging's Behavioral and Social Research Program. "Minority health in general is worse than white health," he said.
But the new study showed that when minorities are removed from the equation, and adjustments are made to control for education and income, white people in England are still healthier than white people in the United States.
"As far as I know, this is the first study showing this," said Suzman who called the results "surprising." But some other experts said the findings were predictable.
Earlier studies have shown the United States does a poorer job than other industrialized countries at providing primary medical care to its citizens, particularly to those with less education and income, said Dr. Barbara Starfield, a professor of health policy and pediatrics at Johns Hopkins University.
"Countries oriented toward providing good primary care basically do better in health," she said.
Marmot offered yet another explanation for the gap: Americans' financial insecurity. Improvements in household income have eluded all but the top fifth of Americans since the mid-1970s. Meanwhile, English citizens saw their incomes improve, he said.
Robert Blendon, a professor of health policy at the Harvard School of Public Health who was not involved in the study, said the stress of striving for the American dream may account for Americans' lousy health.
"The opportunity to go both up and down the socioeconomic scale in America may create stress," Blendon said. Americans don't have a reliable government safety net like the English enjoy, Blendon said.
However, Britain's universal health-care system shouldn't get credit for better health, Marmot and Blendon agreed.
Both said it might explain better health for low-income citizens, but can't account for better health of England's more affluent residents.
Marmot cautioned against looking for explanations in the two countries' health-care systems.
"It's not just how we treat people when they get ill, but why they get ill in the first place," Marmot said.
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EDITOR'S NOTE: Carla K. Johnson reported from Chicago, and Mike Stobbe reported from Atlanta.
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Candy
05-03-2006, 02:32 AM
There was a similar study of children just after WW2 which showed that European kids were healthier than American ones, despite the deprivations they suffered through the war years.

ChenLi
05-03-2006, 03:30 AM
It doesn't surprise me. Fast food nation rings a bell.

Peas'nHominy
05-04-2006, 08:40 PM
Yep, waaayyy too much "fast food" here. The TexMex cuisine isn't helping either. Also, I've known several families who have had to move away from Houston because the air was causing serious health problems for their kids. I want outta Houston, too!!!

Fauxmage
05-05-2006, 11:01 AM
I find it interesting that this study left out what I think is a crucial factor in illness; how many prescription medications are being taken by Americans as compared to the British. Most of the people I know in the middle age bracket are on 3 to 5 different kinds of pills at once, and there is still very little information on how these different medications react with each other within the body. If we are spending that much more money on "health care" than any other country, where are those dollars going if not into extremely expensive prescriptions, most of whose side effects are worse than the conditions whose symptoms they are supposed to suppress.

Rainbow
05-06-2006, 08:33 AM
But ofcourse the American eating culture has more than integrated itself into the UK way of life, it started back in the seventies (possibly sixties) I'm said to say.

Oracl
05-06-2006, 10:59 PM
Most of the people I know in the middle age bracket are on 3 to 5 different kinds of pills at once
Yes, it is interesting to see just how many people are on various prescription drugs. :(

One woman I work with is on tablets to lower her cholesterol and blood pressure. She won't think about changing her diet. :rolleyes: She claims that these problems "run in her family" and no change in eating habits will help. :dark: She actually asked me to recommend a good doctor to her and refused to believe that I haven't been to one since living in Cairns (about 4 years). :)

Bowwowmeow
05-30-2006, 11:06 PM
Study: Canadians Healthier Than Americans

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Graphic shows selected results of joint health study in the U.S. and Canada. (AP Graphic)

By MIKE STOBBE (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
May 30, 2006 9:53 PM EDT
ATLANTA - You can add Canadians to the list of foreigners who are healthier than Americans. Americans are 42 percent more likely than Canadians to have diabetes, 32 percent more likely to have high blood pressure, and 12 percent more likely to have arthritis, Harvard Medical School researchers found. That is according to a survey in which American and Canadian adults were asked over the telephone about their health.
The study comes less than a month after other researchers reported that middle-aged, white Americans are much sicker than their counterparts in England.
"We're really falling behind other nations," said Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, a co-author of the Canadian study.
Canada's national health insurance program is at least part of the reason for the differences found in the study, Woolhandler said. Universal coverage makes it easier for more Canadians to get disease-preventing health services, she said.
James Smith, a RAND Corp. researcher who co-authored the American-English study, disagreed. His research found that England's national health insurance program did not explain the difference in disease rates, because even Americans with insurance were in worse health.
"To me, that's unlikely," he said of the idea that universal coverage explains international differences.
Woolhandler said her findings were different in at least one important respect: In the Canadian study, insured Americans and Canadians had about the same rates of disease. It was the uninsured Americans who made the overall U.S. figures worse, she said.
The study, released Tuesday, is being published in the American Journal of Public Health. It is based on a telephone survey of about 3,500 Canadians and 5,200 U.S. residents in 2002-03. Those surveyed were 18 or older.
The results are based on what those surveyed said about their health. In contrast, the researchers in the American-English study surveyed participants and also examined people and conducted laboratory tests on them.
The new study found that 6.7 percent of Americans and 4.7 percent of Canadians reported having diabetes; 18.3 percent and 13.9 percent, respectively, reported having high blood pressure; and 17.9 percent and 16.0 percent said they had arthritis. The Americans also reported more heart disease and major depression, but those difference were too small to be statistically significant.
About 21 percent of Americans said they were obese, compared with 15 percent of Canadians. And about 13.5 percent of the Americans admitted to a sedentary lifestyle, versus 6.5 percent of Canadians. However, more Canadians were smokers - 19 percent, compared with about 17 percent of Americans.
About 42 percent of the Americans rated their quality of health care as excellent, while 39 percent of Canadians did.
Also, 92 percent of American women said they had a Pap test within the last five years, while 83 percent of Canadian women had. But Canadians have lower death rates from cervical cancer. "It's a little hard to interpret," Woolhandler said.
One more plus for the Americans: Fewer than 1 percent said they were unable to get needed care because of long waits, compared with 3.5 percent of Canadians.
However, about 80 percent of Americans had a regular doctor, while 85 percent of Canadians did. And nearly twice as many Americans said there were medicines they needed but couldn't afford (9.9 percent versus 5.1 percent).

Peas'nHominy
05-31-2006, 10:01 AM
Yes, it is interesting to see just how many people are on various prescription drugs. :(

One woman I work with is on tablets to lower her cholesterol and blood pressure. She won't think about changing her diet. :rolleyes: She claims that these problems "run in her family" and no change in eating habits will help. :dark: She actually asked me to recommend a good doctor to her and refused to believe that I haven't been to one since living in Cairns (about 4 years). :)
Oh, I know! Isn't that ironic??...and stupid!?

When my current foster child, who was obese, first came to us, the doctor at her in-take physical told me the goal was to keep her at her current weight and to let her grow into that weight. I was so :mad: . I was like "well you just need to know that there is NO WAY this child will maintain this weight while in my care and SHE WILL be loosing weight. I don't even buy the crap that I would have to buy for her to maintain this dangerous weight plus we are an active family!" I then officially complained and in writing how disgusted I was with this doctor! (We are required by CPS that the foster child's first ("in-take") physical be done by an appointed/approved CPS doctor.) I was so hot mad!! :tantrum:

Anyway, she lost A LOT of weight just "naturally". Besides, what are they going to do? Get mad because while in my care she's become more healthy!!?? Morons!! :wigglebutt:

(thanks for letting me vent -- I'm crazy about children and I'm VERY protective of them and their health! The ignorance out there is dissappointing, but it makes my blood BOIL when children are treated that way! :rollingpin: )

Bowwowmeow
05-31-2006, 10:18 AM
I then officially complained and in writing how disgusted I was with this doctor!
I'm glad you did. I hope it has an effect. That is unbelievable, especially when there is an epidemic of childhood obesity right now. :(

I think we should do like China did, and only pay our doctors while we are well. When the Chinese got sick, they stopped paying the doctor until he made them well again.

Peas'nHominy
05-31-2006, 10:28 AM
I'm glad you did. I hope it has an effect. That is unbelievable, especially when there is an epidemic of childhood obesity right now. :(

I think we should do like China did, and only pay our doctors while we are well. When the Chinese got sick, they stopped paying the doctor until he made them well again.

There was one change that was made. At first, I was told that I had to use that doctor for her. Now, they say I only have to use that doctor for the first visit, but then I can use a different doctor after that. So now, even if that doctor says something stupid and that I have to bring the child back to her for a follow-up, I can let someone else of my choosing be the doctor for the follow-up. :D

I didn't know that about China. That is so funny...but really cool! :agree:

Willow
05-31-2006, 10:38 AM
Yes, it is interesting to see just how many people are on various prescription drugs. :(

One woman I work with is on tablets to lower her cholesterol and blood pressure. She won't think about changing her diet. :rolleyes: She claims that these problems "run in her family" and no change in eating habits will help. :dark: She actually asked me to recommend a good doctor to her and refused to believe that I haven't been to one since living in Cairns (about 4 years). :)

Yeah, like others have said, I'm not surprised about Americans' poor health. Eating tons of fast food and sitting in front of TV's and video games all day...what do people expect? to be healthy?

Also, with the pills, I think it's some kind of a fad. People seem to be almost competing with each other on how many prescriptions they have. Hmm, a new term should be created... "prescription envy" :rofl: And when a new drug comes out on the market, they all rush to try it as if it's some kind of new candy :rolleyes: People want a pill for everything! It's one of the things that irritates me so much!!! :grumble: They just want a simple and fast solution, even though it's not really a solution at all; it just masks the problem temporarily. And it amazes me how much people tolerate the uncomfortable and sometimes very serious (even lethal!) side effects of drugs *disbelief smiley*

Willow
05-31-2006, 10:43 AM
Oh, I know! Isn't that ironic??...and stupid!?

When my current foster child, who was obese, first came to us, the doctor at her in-take physical told me the goal was to keep her at her current weight and to let her grow into that weight. I was so :mad: . I was like "well you just need to know that there is NO WAY this child will maintain this weight while in my care and SHE WILL be loosing weight. I don't even buy the crap that I would have to buy for her to maintain this dangerous weight plus we are an active family!" I then officially complained and in writing how disgusted I was with this doctor! (We are required by CPS that the foster child's first ("in-take") physical be done by an appointed/approved CPS doctor.) I was so hot mad!! :tantrum:

Anyway, she lost A LOT of weight just "naturally". Besides, what are they going to do? Get mad because while in my care she's become more healthy!!?? Morons!! :wigglebutt:

(thanks for letting me vent -- I'm crazy about children and I'm VERY protective of them and their health! The ignorance out there is dissappointing, but it makes my blood BOIL when children are treated that way! :rollingpin: )

Those children are so lucky to be raised by such a compassionate, intelligent, and wonderful person like you Peas!

I cringe every time I see parents stuff their kids with burgers and french fries :mad: And they MUST know how unhealthy it is...there have been all kinds of campaigns raising awareness about fast food! People are just lazy and refuse to change their lifestyle, even when it's hurting them and their children!

I'm glad that you filed a formal complaint!

dreamer
05-31-2006, 12:22 PM
I agree with what many of you already said...but I'll rant a bit about my view if that's OK:soap: Also, Americans generally get less vacation time, less exercise, etc. It is also true that Americans eat more fast food, more genetically engineered food, drink more soft drinks, and use more dairy products than most of the rest of the world. (I do know on the "dairy" part that there are a few countries that use more.) [I just saw a study comparing France to the U.S. and though their health is still better than ours, it's getting worse and the researchers blame it on fast food consumption.] Our country's gov't also allows toxic waste to be used on crops (i.e., human waste, agricultural waste, etc.)--it was considered toxic waste until the 90's when it was changed to acceptable as a fertilizer. Our country's gov't also allows much more air/water pollution that just about anywhere else. We also have a gov't that allows pharmaceutical companies to outright lie and manipulate the populace into taking tons of medications (many of which are unnecessary and many which are dangerous)--especially those that are "name-brand" instead of generic. We also have a medical industry (partly funded/manipulated by the drug companies) that only pushes pills instead of suggesting more natural remedies or changes in diet/exercise.