Dr Hadwen Trust

[Bowwowmeow]

Check this site out for alternatives to animal research. (http://www.drhadwentrust.f2s.com/) :yea::excited::thumbsup:

[Rainbow]

Yes I'm with them, I've just been reading their latest magazine...very good team.:lightbulb: :woohoo: :thumbsup:

[mothwing]

Me too! I bought my Christmas cards from them last year and some pressies too.

Very nice people :friends:

[SinnerCal]

Long list of celebrity supporters on that site. :thumbsup:

[Gliondrach]

It is of the utmost importance that other methods are found to discover and develop drugs. It is a fact that most drugs that enter the clinical trials, which is when they are tested on humans, fail. And most of those failures are due to the drugs not behaving in humans as they did in the lab animals. They are found to be toxic, unsafe or ineffective. Only about 11 per cent of drugs get throught the clinical trials. That is the mean average. In some categories, as many as 20 per cent get through. But in others, only 5 per cent get through. And even then, some have to be recalled because they are too dangerous. Some have to be relabelled because it becomes apparent that they need extra care when being prescribed or taken.

The results from lab animals are unreliable. It is only when a drug is tried in humans that it can be seen what it will do. And most don't do what they are expected to. Many of the drugs that were discarded because they weren't effective in the lab animals or because they poisoned them, might actually be able to cure humans.

As you all probably know, a report in 1998 found that in 1994 106,000 people died in the USA because of the drugs that they had been prescribed. These had been properly prescribed and the patients had taken them as prescribed. A total of 2, 216,000 people were adversely affected by their drugs in that year.

In a debate I quoted those figures and one of the other people there said that another analysis of the drug deaths had been done a couple of years later which found that that first report was inaccurate and can't be relied upon. I decided to check for myself. One of the authors of the original is a professor of statistics in Toronto, and would have been unlikely to have made the mistakes they were accused of making. And I had a look at the people who wrote the second report. They are part of a company that has close ties with the drug industry. In fact, two of their senior staff used to work for various drug companies. They still have connections. They work closely with a number of drug industry firms. I also had a look at some of the other analyses this company has done. That is their main business, analysing drug research data. In every case I looked at, they said that that particular drug was safe. I'll bet they were influenced in their findings by their closeness to the companies that make drugs. The whole system is corrupt. The drug companies get their cronies to praise their drugs and they bribe physicians to prescribe them.

When statistics and big money come together the result is often lies. As I like to say, there are lies, damned lies and vivisection.

[Bowwowmeow]

I wish people would move away from the idea of needing all these drugs in the first place. How did Homo sapiens survive at all, if he cannot survive now without three or four prescriptions per person? Herbs have worked for the Chinese for thousands of years, and still do. The Chinese certainly show no signs of going extinct anytime soon, in spite of not being allowed more than one child per family.

[Gliondrach]

Indeed.

When someone suffers some side effect after taking a herb the medical industry is up in arms. They conveniently forget how many people die each year from their carefully, scientifically produced drugs. Many of the results of drug trials are embroided, as can be seen here:

http://www.newstarget.com/019368.html

[Bowwowmeow]

That's a great article, Martin. Statistics should be a required course from 3rd grade on. You can prove anything with statistics.

[BonaDrag]

Another good info site is PCRM (http://www.pcrm.org/)

When Animal Tests Fail (http://www.pcrm.org/resch/anexp/dangerous_med.html) - this gives the solid examples of what an unstable structure vivisection is balanced upon. :professor:

[Gliondrach]

More drug company manipulation.

http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/04/07/19.php

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29576-2004Jul5.html

You might have read that a 'scientific' study found that echinacea is not effective in treating colds. This study was conducted by people who didn't know how to conduct a proper trial. Read here to find out about echinacea:

http://www.yourvitalhealth.com/falsealarms/fa10.cfm


But, for both natural and drug company studies, read this:

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7915&feedId=online-news_rss091

The original that it refers to is long and complicated. This one sums it up.