Ex-Vegans

[Bowwowmeow]

I mentioned elsewhere that I went to my sister in law's baby shower on Sunday. There I met my first real-life ex-vegan. She is my sister in law's cousin, so I didn't make a fuss at all. But she kept going on about not keeping up with the supplements, and starting to eat fish.

I don't get it! Why do they go straight from vegan to dead animal? Why not just try egg at first? Its not good, but at least it isn't a dead animal. And what about the psychic repercussions for someone who has, even for a little while, shunned the products of death? I have never had an eggmare, or a cheesemare, but I have had awful meatmares on occasion, with blood gushing around in my mouth as I chew the hamburger in my dream, and the only bad dream that is better to wake up from than a meatmare is a dream in which someone you love is dead.
I was vegetarian for a few years before I went vegan, but I haven't eaten dead animal flesh, or rennet cheese, or gelatin, or even worn leather, for 28 years this June. Obviously I am not about to die from lack of fish! But even if I did need it physically, my mind would never allow it, and I would probably vomit it back up now matter how convinced I was that I needed it for my physical health.

Ex-vegans are a hundred times more perplexing than even omnis who love animals but haven't gone vegan.
:dizzy: :rubchin: :sigh:

[moie]

I totally agree about your last statement. Ex-vegans, who say they don't get enough fish- or whatever- make veganism, on a whole, look bad. So many people have told me "oh i knew a vegan/veggie that HAD to start eating meat again because they got so sick" -
I think they just want a reason to eat meat again and you could probably find quite a few meat eating doctors that would tell you to eat fish/dairy, etc. if you had the slightest thing wrong with you. If something ever became wrong with me physically i would actually do some research on my own and find a reasonable treatment, fish, of course not being one of them!!

[Bowwowmeow]

That's what I would do too moie. There can't possibly be anything good found in animals' bodies that can't be found in plants, and that includes B12, since "food" animals have to take B12 supplements too before people eat them. I would rather take a B12 tablet myself than have an animal eat it for me, and then eat the animal. :eek::dunce:

[Oracl]

That's what I would do too moie. There can't possibly be anything good found in animals' bodies that can't be found in plants, and that includes B12, since "food" animals have to take B12 supplements too before people eat them. I would rather take a B12 tablet myself than have an animal eat it for me, and then eat the animal. :eek::dunce:
Couldn't agree more! :agree:

[Tigerlily]

It's important to keep in mind that not everyone is vegan for animal rights reasons, some are only vegan for purely health reasons and therefore see no problem in consuming animal products if they are 'healthy'.

[Delicious]

I don't believe in any way that consuming animal products is "healthy" for the human body, so aside from the AR issues that keep me vegan my health is a HUGE priority and I'd be vegan even if I hated animals!

[Tigerlily]

I don't believe in any way that consuming animal products is "healthy" for the human body, so aside from the AR issues that keep me vegan my health is a HUGE priority and I'd be vegan even if I hated animals!

I didn't say animal products were healthy, I said that some people might think they are and that's why they might start consuming them again.

[Bowwowmeow]

To an omni, skim milk is healthy compared to whole milk, and turkey is healthy compared to pork. Blah! I'm glad I don't think like an omni!

The shame of ex-vegans, though, is that they never really were vegan, because you don't shun leather, silk, wool, and animal-tested household cleaners for your health. They should realize that they are former strict vegetarians, not former vegans, and quit making it look like being vegan is either health based or impossible.
I wonder how many "vegans" who return to eating fish or other animals, still avoid all other animal "products", or do they think that since they are eating fish again they might as well go whole hog and return to a totally cruelty based lifestyle. I suspect in cases like this it isn't the health that suffers from lack of animal protein as it is simply finding it too much effort to avoid as much cruelty as possible. I might actually have some sympathy for an ex-vegan who feared for her health and returned to eating animal protein, if she still avoided as many other cruel products as she could, but if she is wearing a cashmere sweater and expensive leather shoes, and carrying on about not being able to stay healthy without fish, then I would have serious doubts about whether she was ever vegan at all.

[Delicious]

I didn't say animal products were healthy, I said that some people might think they are and that's why they might start consuming them again.
Right, and I didn't say that *you* said they were :wigglebutt: :gay: but I will say that anyone who says they are is *wrong* :D

What I will say is that the argument that animal products are "healthy" doesn't hold water when pitted against a well-planned vegan diet that has all the same nutrients and none of the disease-supporting properties; there is a vegan fod/foods that meet the same nutritional requirements of omni/veg foods with out the harmful properties that omni/veg foods have.

[Rainbow]

I'm sure I've seen or atleast heard something about veg*ns who go back to bloodthirsty ways, after years of veg*nism, finding that their digestive system has become totally unable to digest murdered food. [This ofcourse could be slightly hyped up too, as do humans really digest dead flesh fully anyway? - unlike vegan fodder it tends to just hang around, doesn't it?]

[thevegantwins]

I'm sure I've seen or atleast heard something about veg*ns who go back to bloodthirsty ways, after years of veg*nism, finding that their digestive system has become totally unable to digest murdered food. [This ofcourse could be slightly hyped up too, as do humans really digest dead flesh fully anyway? - unlike vegan fodder it tends to just hang around, doesn't it?]
Sorta off topic but this is an odd phenomenon that happened lately. My kids, who will be 2 next week, have been in 3 social situations within the last 2 weeks involving at least 20 adults. The first one was in a nursing home where they both were crying, clinging to me and seemed very traumatized to be there. Today, they came to visit me at work and as they were walking around, they were crying, clinging to me and my husband and seemed traumatized to be there. Last week, we were in a packed restaurant, full of strangers, yet my son had no problem being held by a total stranger, my daughter danced and played and they just seemed interested in what was going on around them (until it got to their nap time). The difference between these events? The first 2, they were surrounded by Death Eaters (a Harry Potter term that's quite appropriate for omnivores) and the event where they were relaxed was a vegan brunch involving a large roomful of vegans.

Is it possible that since they've been raised as vegans that they can sense the difference between humans who consume other living creatures and those who don't and that they aren't comfortable around Death Eaters?

I wonder...

[Oracl]

Wow, food for thought, no pun intended! :rubchin:

[Rainbow]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's latched onto JKs 'death eater' description as being very apt for omnis ;)

I made myself a badge which simply says... "Are you a death eater?" after first seeing the film at the cinema. :D

[thevegantwins]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's latched onto JKs 'death eater' description as being very apt for omnis ;)

I made myself a badge which simply says... "Are you a death eater?" after first seeing the film at the cinema. :D
You are one smart vegan cookie (ok, you're a biscuit :D )! Great minds think alike. :agree:

[Fauxmage]

You are one smart vegan cookie (ok, you're a biscuit :D )! Great minds think alike. :agree:
A CHOCOLATE biscuit! :excited: