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Bowwowmeow
06-04-2008, 08:02 PM
I've just read Doug Graham's "Grain Damage" and "80/10/10". Has anyone else heard of these books?

"80/10/10" makes so much sense to me, and answers all the questions I have had about my own health challenges over the many years that I have been vegan., and even the few months I gave raw foodism a try.

Its basically a book about being a leafy-green eating fruitarian, instead of an exclusively fruit eating fruitarian, and going very lightly on the nuts and seeds, and fatty fruits like avocados. He examines the real sources of so many of our modern chronic diseases, and backs up everything he writes about humans being primates, and therefore are naturally suited to being primarily frugivorous. I especially enjoyed the chapter entitled "What kind of 'vores' are we?"

I've been at it for about a month, and the most amazing thing to happen was the complete relief of a painful stiffness in my hip joints, that came upon me suddenly right after I broke my foot almost two years ago. I became unable to sit cross-legged on the floor, with both knees touching the ground, and I had great difficulty putting socks and shoes on for at least a year and a half after my injury. I have read about accident-induced arthritis, and I though this had set in, and that I would never regain full movement in my joints again. In spite of stretching and yoga, I was only able to regain a little flexibility.

After about two weeks of being on the raw 80/10/10 plan, I went from being stiff to being completely flexible almost overnight. It was quite startling. I can only guess that the acid crystal deposits that form in joints and cause pain and stiffness were rapidly dissolved once my system went from acidic to alkaline. I was starting to feel like an old lady! Now I might attempt another somersault with Amelia one of these days! Or maybe not. :D

80/10/10 refers to the proportions of the percent of calories coming from carbohydrates, protein, and fat in your diet, by the way. You can do this raw or cooked, as long as you keep your fat calorie percentage at ten or below. I do "cheat" every once in a while, and I intend to allow myself to cheat on occasion when I really miss something I consider a treat, but the longer I go, the worse I feel when I do cheat, especially when I eat something grain based. I have been in denial about my inability to tolerate grains, because I've never known what I would base the bulk of my diet on without them. Though I've never obsessed about getting enough protein, I was never aware of how much protein there is in the plant world, without relying on grains and legumes.

Ten percent of calories coming from protein seems low to people who are so used to getting way too much, but in the China Study Campbell suggests that going as low as five or six percent of your calories from protein is more than sufficient.

Keeping the calories that come from fat at ten percent or less seems to be the key to good health, though. I have always felt that this is too extreme, mostly because I like fatty foods, but I have been won over, not just by the book's logic, and the research that backs it up, but so far by my own experience. My blood sugar levels have been creeping toward the diabetic range, and I have managed to reduce them back to normal, and by eating mostly fruit, which everyone who is diabetic is warned to avoid or limit.

Its actually the fat in the diet that leads to insulin resistance, because the fat plugs up the cell receptors. It seems that the ability of dietary fat to plug up many different cell receptor sites is implicated in most of the chronic diseases Westerners are plagued by. It is even implicated in B12 anemia, because dietary fat interferes with the ability of intrinsic factor to facilitate B12 absorption.

The clincher about fat percentages for me was the fact that when the government was trying to set national dietary recommendations, the reason they refused to recommend that fewer than ten percent of your calories should be coming from fat would require people to give up animal foods.

I'll stop going on about this now though. The post is long enough!

Oracl
06-04-2008, 11:43 PM
Yes, I've heard of his books and I think he makes a lot of sense. I haven't read them but I have read a lot of stuff online about him and 80/10/10. :thumbsup: :)

I have read Green For Life by Victoria Boutenko and now we eat far more leafy greens and have started making green smoothies very regularly. I have grown to really love greens!! :yum:

Phoenix
06-05-2008, 09:40 AM
That's very interesting BWM, thank you. Now that I suddenly find myself cooking for one again I need to seriously improve my diet. (It just seems so much harder to make the effort when you are only feeding yourself.) :s:igh:

Does the dietary fat rule apply to every kind of fat / oil or are some kinds less damaging than others? I've recently started using organic, virgin coconut oil because it contains saturated fat (which we apparently need a little of in order to maintain good health) and I believe that coconut oil is the only vegan source.

Gliondrach
06-05-2008, 10:41 AM
I get most of my calories from carbohydrates.

I know what you mean about the bother of cooking for one, Phoenix. I probably only cook once a week. Toast the rest of the time, with fruit and nuts.

Phoenix
06-05-2008, 11:03 AM
I get most of my calories from carbohydrates.

I know what you mean about the bother of cooking for one, Phoenix. I probably only cook once a week. Toast the rest of the time, with fruit and nuts.

Well, I'd invite you over for dinner on Sunday's Gliondrach but the travel expenses could be prohibitive - to say nothing of the jet-lag! :eek:

Bowwowmeow
06-05-2008, 06:15 PM
Is he advocating then, eating the same diet as apes?.

It would make sense, I suppose, as apes have 99% dna as us. I feel I need cooked meals though to feel satisfied. Especially in the winter.
Yes. He doesn't even go so far as DNA, he suggests that all animals who share the same basic forms eat similar foods.

That's very interesting BWM, thank you. Now that I suddenly find myself cooking for one again I need to seriously improve my diet. (It just seems so much harder to make the effort when you are only feeding yourself.) :s:igh:

Does the dietary fat rule apply to every kind of fat / oil or are some kinds less damaging than others? I've recently started using organic, virgin coconut oil because it contains saturated fat (which we apparently need a little of in order to maintain good health) and I believe that coconut oil is the only vegan source.
His opinions on dietary fat cover every kind of plant based fat. All fats/oils are damaging when eaten in excess of 10% of total calories.

He coaches a lot of athletes, and is one himself, and finds that athletic performance drops when carbohydrate intake is reduced in favor of fat or protein. He really does debunk the myth that bodybuilders in particular need more protein than the rest of us. They eat more grams of protein in a day than ordinary folk, because they consume more calories of food according to their energy needs, but the percentage of protein calories stays the same.

He makes a good case for realizing that it is the deficiency of carbohydrate that can become problematic if it is sacrificed in order to include more fat. In his book, he does recommend the use of enough nuts, seeds, or fatty fruit like avocado to round up the daily fat percentage, but does not recommend the consumption of "fractionated" foods, which includes expressed plant oils and even dehydrated foods. He feels that the natural water contained in fruits and greens is a vital nutrient that should not be driven off by heat. That's why he recommends raw 80/10/10 over cooked 80/10/10, but when asked to choose which is better, cooked 80/10/10 or raw free-for-all, he advises that the 80/10/10 proportion is much more important to your health than eating anything you want, as long as it is raw.

Soynut
06-05-2008, 06:47 PM
Thanks for sharing Bow. Being a "healthy" vegan I eat WAY too much fat, I know - it's nuts here and there, chips, loads of avacados and heavy dressings. I just love fat all together... well, who doesn't. But during those times I've cut both calorie and fat intake, I've felt amazing, just the way I should feel ALL the time... so energized, so light! I'm not overweight, but I often get that heavy loaded sensation in my tummy - especially after a meal made with lots of oil. Fruits, raw greens and salads never do that to me, never.

In a nutshell, eating like a gorilla feels so NATURAL.:D (Hmm, wonder why that is?)

Oracl
06-06-2008, 12:32 AM
I probably only cook once a week. Toast the rest of the time, with fruit and nuts.
Um......isn't toast cooked bread, which is cooked grains? So isn't toast twice-cooked grains? :whistle:

Gliondrach
06-06-2008, 04:12 PM
The second cooking cancels out the first. So toast is really raw grains.

Oracl
06-06-2008, 11:49 PM
:rolleyes: :p