Questions about anything.

[Gliondrach]

Here's the place to ask questions about things that have been puzzling you. They can be about the great mysteries of life or the best way to tie a tie.

Here's the very first one of many:

What are these symbols for `````````` ¬¬¬¬¬¬¬ ? They are found on the key at the top left of the keyboard. And how do you use the third one, which is a vertical line? And what's that one for?

[Oracl]

` = grave accent

Wikipedia gives a definition and usage if you type the symbol into the search. :uhuh:

I can't find the others on my keyboard. :shakehead: The vertical line is used in mathematics, I think.

Good idea for a thread. :smile2:

[VeganD]

Well i have a lot to ask just not sure if i can write it all

here is some

Why is it more men seem to be more compassionate then women


Around how many vegans are there in the world

One would say how can we begin to respect animals if we can’t even respect each other

it seems humans are increasing and animals are decreasing i think one day we will have none left only the scum will keep breeding to keep their pockets full

Would you eat meat if the meat was grown in a lab where no animal was ever alive, confused? me too

Which country in the world has the highest animal welfare

[thevegantwins]

As to your first question, I think it is a matter of perception. Most hunters are men as are most vivisectors and animal abusers. Wars are started by men. The environment is being destroyed by men. Almost all of the animal rights activists I know are women and most of the vegans I know are women.

As to question #2, here are some figures taken from Wikipedia: Various polls have reported vegans to be between 0.2%[4] and 1.3%[6] of the U.S. population, and between 0.25%[5] and 0.4%[7] of the UK population. The Times estimated in 2005 that there were 250,000 vegans in Britain.[7]

As to #3, saddens me to say that you are right with the premise that people won't be able to respect animals if they can't respect each other. Even the FBI has noted that all serial killers abuse animals as children. I don't see much hope for humans until all humans understand that all animals need our respect and compassion.

#4: There are alot of scum breeding but there are also many compassionate, caring people who are breeding. We can only hope that there are more and more young people like you who have realized the truth about this world at a young age.

#5: No, I would not eat lab-produced meat. I don't believe animals are food and think of all the animal experimentation it would take to get to the point of lab-grown meat.

#6: Do you mean protection of animals?

[Bowwowmeow]

One would say how can we begin to respect animals if we can’t even respect each otherWhen I was about 8, I started seeing all kinds of weakness and hypocrisy in the adults around me. Animals, who I'd apparently started loving before I can remember, seemed better in every way to my childish point of view; more sensible, more intelligent, more accepting, etc., so I have always respected animals without having any respect for people at all. I was weird, though, and I still am. :rolleyes2: When I got old enough to realize just how most people think about animals, my opinion of people went even further downhill.
I always treat people with the respect I would like to receive myself, but I think they are hopeless scum, for the most part. I don't know if that's hypocritical. I just don't see any reason to behave abusively or rudely, just because I think someone deserves it. :o Mostly, I just don't like doing things to anyone that I wouldn't like being done to me. But I'll always think that the majority of humans are a waste of decent oxygen, carbon, and water. Unless they are vegan. :smallheart:

[VeganD]

Thanks thevegantwins great post

Yes i mean protection for animals

But let me ask this how do we know that there are really that many vegans in the US or UK how do they carry out such poles that i would like to know.... its also no good going by how much vegan products are sold there are many people that eat animals and still buy vegan products



Bowwowmeow

Tell me what do you think of someone who goes out their way to save animals takes them in gives them a loving home but still eats them and buys them from the supermarket do you still think of them as a waste of time?




I just think until humans can respect each other we have little hope for animals if humans cannot begin to respect each other and get along without wars and without killing each other what hope do we really have for the animals in this world?

lets be honest 95% of humans put humans before animals we all know that right? so i just think unless humans can live in love and peace we have little hope for animals most humans see animals as food nothing more if they didn’t why do they support the killing?


Now right off the subject what’s the price of gas where you live per litre

[1vegan]

Now right off the subject what’s the price of gas where you live per litre

Per litre? I thought I saw 1.38 euro this morning, I'll pay attention to that tomorrow.

For U.S people: that's 6.70 USD a gallon

[thevegantwins]

Per litre? I thought I saw 1.38 euro this morning, I'll pay attention to that tomorrow.

For U.S people: that's 6.70 USD a gallon

I just paid $2.73 a gallon and that was at a full-serve station where an attendant pumps your gas. New Jersey doesn't have self-serve.

[VeganD]

Trust me guys you will not like the UK i believe the UK has the highest in Europe diesel cost £1.01 $2.05 per litre and £1 $2.03 per unleaded its doing people out of business and its set to go up even more in the next few years

[Gliondrach]

Good questions, VeganD, but not as good as mine.

So, petrol is about £4.50 a gallon.

They estimate how many vegans there are by asking 10,000 people and then multiplying the answer by 6,000 to find out how many vegans there are in the UK. They will have to do it more than once and preferably with more people to get a good estimate.

[Gliondrach]

` = grave accent

Wikipedia gives a definition and usage if you type the symbol into the search. :uhuh:
Good idea for a thread. :smile2:

What about the acute accent? And, you can't put that grave one above a letter.

[Oracl]

What about the acute accent? And, you can't put that grave one above a letter.
Well at least I tried to answer your questions. :pouty: Nobody else bothered. :shakehead: :laugh:

[Oracl]

Tell me what do you think of someone who goes out their way to save animals takes them in gives them a loving home but still eats them and buys them from the supermarket do you still think of them as a waste of time?
You have exactly described my mother! :rolleyes2: She loves animals (says she loves them more than humans) but still eats them! :confused: I haven't even succeeded in getting her to go vegetarian. :no: (She says she is nearly veg, whatever that means!! :crazy:) She gets upset when I bring up the subject now and won't discuss it. :rolleyes: :whiteflag: I'm not sure how I feel about her.......if she weren't my mother I'd probably think she was a waste of time! ;)

[Gliondrach]

Well at least I tried to answer your questions. :pouty: Nobody else bothered. :shakehead: :laugh:

And it was much appreciated. Even if it was incomplete.

[1vegan]

What are these symbols for `````````` ¬¬¬¬¬ ? They are found on the key at the top left of the keyboard. And how do you use the third one, which is a vertical line? And what's that one for?

I don't have them but perhaps it depends on the version of the keyboard.

I think the ¬¬ were "invented" in the days that computers weren't that graphical advanced and with the use of those signs/letters you could make borders around tables and some symbols were used to make a corner on the borders.

There are more of those "weird" signs in what's called the ascii set :)

[Gliondrach]

I do have quite an old keyboard. It even has a carriage return lever.

[dreamer]

Why is it more men seem to be more compassionate then women

Around how many vegans are there in the world

One would say how can we begin to respect animals if we can’t even respect each other

it seems humans are increasing and animals are decreasing i think one day we will have none left only the scum will keep breeding to keep their pockets full

Would you eat meat if the meat was grown in a lab where no animal was ever alive, confused? me too

Which country in the world has the highest animal welfare

I agree with what TVT answered...also, I don't like making gender-based comparisons. There are some men who are more compassionate than some women, but in general I'd agree with TVT that men seem more likely to do things that are FAR from compassionate.

As far as how many vegans, I've seen lots of different numbers about vegans and/or vegetarians. The problem is, when they do surveys, often they aren't very specific...that is, they'll just ask if you're a vegetarian or vegan. So people who eat chicken or fish might say, "yes, I'm a vegetarian." Or people who only eat vegan foods but don't try to avoid leather or the like will call themselves vegans. Then you have vegans who hate the label or don't feel like they're 100% vegan, so won't say they're vegan even though most of us would consider them so.

I also think it's hard to have a life-affirming world (to care for and respect non-human animals and the environment) when people seem far too hateful and angry toward other people. A lot of times you can see in children (as BWM pointed out) a love of all living creatures and all types of people, but they grow up in a hate-filled environment that drives that out of them. I know for a while I tried to deny what eating animal products meant--being strongly encouraged and even forced (in a way) to do so, even though I ALWAYS felt a special bond to animals.

I suppose it's possible that one day all the wild creatures of the world might be wiped out--at least those with no direct human benefit (i.e., hunters, fishermen, "foodies" who eat some wild animal products for health, etc)--but I hope not...it actually seems to me that there are many more people concerned with protecting wildlife and wild places than are concerned with "livestock" lives:(

No, I don't think I'd ever eat meat, even that was "lab produced." Like TVT, I would think about the most likely horrific occurences that would proceed such "meat." There would probably be much animal cloning, animal testing (to make sure the "meat" was safe), etc. I also just don't like the idea of animal flesh--even if it is "disembodied."

I don't know which country takes care of animals the best (keeps "livestock" in better living conditions, does less testing, protects those in the wild, etc.), but I am absolutely positive it ain't the U.S.:mad:

[Bowwowmeow]

In the course of my lifelong pursuit of reading fiction, I have come across several references to a wolf showing up at someone's door when there is no more food in the house. Where does this come from?

[Gliondrach]

I have never heard of that. The only thing I can think of is the story of the wolf and the seven young kids - a Grimm Brothers' story. The mother goat left the house to get some food and a wolf came to the door to eat the kids. Perhaps it has something to do with that? The mother goat only left her children alone because there was no food in the house.

[Phoenix]

Why is it more men seem to be more compassionate then women

Would you eat meat if the meat was grown in a lab where no animal was ever alive, confused? me too

Which country in the world has the highest animal welfare

I've never noticed that men are more compassionate than women. :no: Compassion seems to be in short supply in both sexes on this planet, unfortunately. :crying:

No, I would NOT eat meat even if it was "grown" in a lab. :no:

Australia has an appalling AR record. :crying: :mad:

... I always treat people with the respect I would like to receive myself, but I think they are hopeless scum, for the most part. I don't know if that's hypocritical. I just don't see any reason to behave abusively or rudely, just because I think someone deserves it. :o Mostly, I just don't like doing things to anyone that I wouldn't like being done to me. But I'll always think that the majority of humans are a waste of decent oxygen, carbon, and water. Unless they are vegan. :smallheart:


Perhaps your attitude is hypocritical, BWM, and perhaps not. :dizzy: At the very worst - as you treat people with respect - you are not adding to the hate that already saturates this beautiful planet!

I do have quite an old keyboard. It even has a carriage return lever.

:rofl:

[Bowwowmeow]

I have never heard of that. The only thing I can think of is the story of the wolf and the seven young kids - a Grimm Brothers' story. The mother goat left the house to get some food and a wolf came to the door to eat the kids. Perhaps it has something to do with that? The mother goat only left her children alone because there was no food in the house.
I bet that's it. I'll have to find that tale.
Thank you!:nanakiss:

[veggiesosage]

I always treat people with the respect I would like to receive myself, but I think they are hopeless scum, for the most part. I don't know if that's hypocritical.

Not hypocritical, maybe a bit strong though :no:

[Bowwowmeow]

I was having a bad day. :(

[Oracl]

I was having a bad day. :(
:comfort: :psmooch: :grouphug2:

[Bowwowmeow]

:)

[thevegantwins]

Is there such a thing as a left and right sock?

[Bowwowmeow]

Did those rainbow striped socks with toes catch on in your area in the seventies TVT? Those were left and right, on account of having to have a bigger section for the big toe.
I loved those darn socks.

I also used to go to Chinatown and get those slipper/socks with a section for the big toe, that were the traditional sock to wear with thongs. There weren't knit, but they were left and right.

[thevegantwins]

I vaguely remember those striped toe socks. They were cute. This is a serious question though. Mr. TVT and I have had this debate for several years. I insist there is no such thing as left and right socks but he says there is and says it is uncomfortable when they are on the wrong feet. :confused:

[Bowwowmeow]

I think it depends on how expensive the socks are. Very high quality tailored socks do seem to be left and right, at least for men. Most of the socks I wear aren't that way. Usually you can tell if there is a different color yarn used on the toes and heels. Those do seem to be left and right.

[1vegan]

Simple socks are originally the same imho, but after wearing them they stretch or set to your foot/toes, and then you can feel the difference.

Some socks do have a left and right, at least I think if you have socks with images on it, than it shows clearly. (will have to find my garfield socks to know for sure)

Some expensive socks for (mountain) walkers do have a left and right too, and are marked with L and R on the sole.

[1vegan]

Not hypocritical, maybe a bit strong though :no:

I was having a bad day. :(

No offense intended, but you often come across as "strong" when it is about non-vegans..... For me, I don't always think it's the right way to speak about others, as "they" are animals too, though I can understand and sometimes feel your frustration that probably makes you see/feel it that way too.

I don't know what to say or how to reach out to help you get out of that feeling though :(

[Gliondrach]

Sometimes it's good to blow off a bit of steam here. I sometimes say harsh things about meatheads and cruel scum.

[Bowwowmeow]

On another forum, there are a few men who post some of the worst things about necrotarians I've ever read online anywhere, and people think they are adorable rascals. On the same forum, I said something not even half as bad about a man who poured bleach on that pitbull, and set her on fire, and I got scolded by some guy.

So my questions are:
Why is it okay for the men, and not for me? and
Why is it bad for women to have strong opinions about really horrible things? Why is it somehow less acceptable for them to be justifiably angry, and to need to express this?

I'm not proud of how I sometimes feel about human beings, but try as I might (and I have) there's nothing I can do to change it. People are animals, but they are animals with knowledge of pain, so there is no excuse for what they do to others, both the humans and the non-humans. I'm nothing special, and my view is, that if I can see things this way, and refuse to harm the weak and powerless, anyone can. The fact that they won't use their self-described superior thinking abilities to recognize the horror they perpetrate on others can't excuse them from what I see as the moral obligation of the strong to protect, rather than exploit, the weak.

[my3labs]

If there is any place in the world where we can vent our frustrations, this is the place.
I take solace in knowing that I'm not the only one that feels contempt for humans on a regular basis.

[1vegan]

On another forum, there are a few men who post some of the worst things about necrotarians I've ever read online anywhere, and people think they are adorable rascals.


I think I might know which forum you mean, but maybe not.

I won't go further in to this, but the behavior of some of that kind of people have made me wonder (in the past) if I want to call myself vegan and I've given up on some forums for that kind of fighting/superior attitude.

*shrugs*

[Bowwowmeow]

I think it is easy to mistake a person with strongly expressed opinions as someone who thinks they are better than other people. And maybe some people do that because they do think they are better than other people. I don't want to better than other people. I just want them to stop hurting animals.

[Oracl]

I won't go further in to this, but the behavior of some of that kind of people have made me wonder (in the past) if I want to call myself vegan and I've given up on some forums for that kind of fighting/superior attitude.
I've seen this attitude on forums and I think it can give vegans a very negative image. I feel that if we want to change people's views/habits we will never do it by showing hatred towards them. Communication is surely the best way? :rubchin:

[Gliondrach]

Why is it bad for women to have strong opinions about really horrible things? Why is it somehow less acceptable for them to be justifiably angry, and to need to express this?


I think 'society' expects women to be more forgiving and understanding. And more gentle. Tell that to Myra Hindley.

[dreamer]

There are definitely still different expectations of men and women. I mean, lots of people still don't want a woman President because they think she'll start a nuclear war during PMS:rolleyes: And when business women use hard-nose tactics, they're called all sorts of horrible names while business men are seen as "shrewd" and "tough." I've also read some studies about people in my line of work (social science instructors/professors) where women talking about sexual inequality were viewed as biased while men talking about the same inequality (using the same lectures!) were viewed as objective. I think women are expected to be more "nurturing" and compassionate, so when a woman "acts like a man," that's seen as extremely negative. I think sometimes men get "grief" if they're seen as too sensitive...at least I've seen that in my own life with men I care about.

[Bowwowmeow]

Thanks. :nanakiss: :nanakiss:

[VeganD]

Do you ever feel you don’t do enough

I mean I am vegan your vegan but what good does it do animals still die so where are our efforts going

I guess less are killed but to me that’s not good enough i want all the killing to stop today

I am vegan i try to spread the word as much as i can plus i make a donation to an animal cause once a month what else can one do

Check this out my friend works in this big building and the people there had to call some guy in because they had rats and there were loads so he came along layed some poison but it didn’t kill the rats so he when in there standing on them there was blood every where my friend had to walk out couldn’t take it

You know what this fucking guy did with the rest of them picked them up and put them down a shoot what scum bag

Like i said before i love all animals i don’t care if its a fly or elephant i will try to save all, size makes no difference what so ever to me each and every single living creature on this planet has the right to live here without any scum bag of a human inflicting pain or suffering up on them

Rats need to survive like the rest of us how do they know if being in a house is wrong or right

[thevegantwins]

Yes, I often feel like I don't do enough. I think of all the phonecalls I could be making, the animals I could rescue, protests I could go to etc.. and feel bad. However, I also realize that I do what I can, when I can. I was at work last week, looking out the window and I saw a feral cat in the lot across the street. The vegan in me wanted to run down 3 flights of stairs, grab the cat and somehow find a home for him/her. The realist in me knew that by the time I got down the stairs and across the street, the cat would have been gone and even if the cat was there, it would have been unlikely for me to catch them, find a home etc..

Rats do deserve the same chance of life as any other living creatures. I wouldn't necessarily want to share my home with wild rats but if we had rats, I wouldn't kill them. I'd find out where they were entering, block their access and trap and release any in our home.

[Gliondrach]

We can never do enough - there's always more to be done. But we can never do everything. We can only do what we can do. You're already doing much more than most people, VeganD. One thing you can do, without leaving your home, is to sign all the online petitions. It's not as much as you would like but it helps. Are you in any local group?

[dreamer]

I was just talking about this to my mom this weekend. She started in on how much animal suffering (she was referring to dogs, cats, and horses) that she's seen and how she can't take the pain of realizing how much of it is going on. I said, "what about me? I don't just think of the dogs, horses, and cats, but also the rabbits, cows, chickens, pigs, and more." She said, "how do you handle it?" I said, "well, I try to be as vegan as I can be in my purchases and eating, give to animal charities which are supposed to be helping, sign petitions, try to live doing the least harm possible, and pray for relief of their suffering regularly. I guess I could do more like 'freeing' farm animals, but I have to be satisfied that I'm doing my best and anything more 'activist'--like freeing cows--probably wouldn't help." And that's really how I feel...I can't do even as much as my heart tells me to (like the dog situation a few weeks ago), but I can do all that and I feel I'm doing more than most people even think of doing. I just wish more people, including my mom, would do more...that's more frustrating to me than almost anything else:shakehead:

[VeganD]

I am so glad we have this forum to talk to each other because without it I would feel I was alone in this but it’s nice to know others feel the same way as me

I just cannot believe the shit that is going on in this world right now it makes me sick I saw a video on youtube a few weeks back this guy got a cat and must have thrown it 7 stories off this big building, sick man what was the point people like that have no room in this world some might say people like that could be rehabilitated but I wouldn’t want to be the one to sit down with them


I don’t know if you guys do you’re shopping online or not but when i go to the supermarket and see peoples trolleys loaded up with dead animals i can’t say how i feel

don’t you just hate it when you over hear a mom saying to her kid oh would you like chicken nuggets tonight? and i am thinking that girl has no idea what she’s really eating i mean its not really her fault its her mom, right

Ok i got a question who would you say is more responsible for the killing of animals

Places like mac shit the consumer the farmer or the abattoir ?

or all of them

[VeganD]

And on top of that any comments welcome about my vegan site i made below

not as good as this one of course but i was pretty happy when i made my own little forum

[my3labs]

Hi VeganD,
I experience all of the same feelings that you're feeling (I'll bet we all do). I often feel guilty for not ditching my house, car, job, etc., to volunteer or start some kind of AR business. I am often angry at my family and friends for not getting it, or not caring enough.
I think the worst offenders are the people who eat the carcasses. Without them, there would be no need for the killing. I try to keep it in my head that most of you were vegans before me and that I was 38 years old before I finally woke up. I guess everyone needs the right "triggers" to get it. Maybe the rest of society hasn't found that trigger yet. Not that I condone the eating of dead animals, or lab testing, or any of that. I think I've just come to terms with the fact that I alone can not change the world. I can do my best...and it's very frustrating that after two years of being vegan, I know not one single person that has committed to being vegan. I'm pretty vocal about it and I thought that within a week of being vegan I could convince everyone. It's totally frustrating.
:grouphug2:
I honestly don't know how I would have remained sane over the last few years had I not found you guys!

[Oracl]

We can never do enough - there's always more to be done. But we can never do everything. We can only do what we can do. You're already doing much more than most people, VeganD.
:agree: :thumbsup:

Ok i got a question who would you say is more responsible for the killing of animals

Places like mac shit the consumer the farmer or the abattoir ?

or all of them
The consumer. (I'd bet that the farmer and abattoir worker would also be consumers.) :(

I honestly don't know how I would have remained sane over the last few years had I not found you guys!
:friends: :hug:

[Gliondrach]

It's not easy to decide who is most to blame. They all play their part. Who is most to blame in an assassination - the assassin or the person who pays for the job? The meat sellers and the slaughterhouses will stay in business as long as there is business for them to do.

Your site is good but very small. It'll take a lot of work to make it bigger - it can almost be a full-time job.

[Bowwowmeow]

Ok i got a question who would you say is more responsible for the killing of animals

Places like mac shit the consumer the farmer or the abattoir ?

or all of them
Its complicated. We live in a world full of people who want to be rich, and they can't get rich without convincing people to buy things they don't need. We have powerful media tools being used by dead animal industries that instill the average person with real fear that they will become ill and die without eating flesh and drinking cow milk. I just saw an online article about a young vegetarian local to me, and the comment section was loaded with beef industry spam comments. The "beef its what's for dinner" website people were terrified of the implications in the article that young people can grow up happy and healthy without dead animal flesh, just like they got so upset they sued Oprah all those years ago for saying she wasn't going to eat beef on her show. These people are RELENTLESS.

Its easy to blame the consumer at first glance, but giving it deeper thought shows that the average consumer, who has been trained since childhood by the public school system not to think or question anything, is being hopelessly manipulated by industry leaders to believe they need what that industry is selling. I think that as humans we all have a duty and a responsibility to ourselves and others to examine everything for ourselves, and not accept what we are told blindly, but most people can't do this on their own, and it is a skill that our society has a vested interest in making sure people don't get taught. Its true that if the consumers for a certain product disappeared, no one could sell that product. But in today's world, if there is no market, the industry creates one. Look at how many people have pagers and cell phones now, when twenty years ago the only people who needed pagers were doctors. That's just one example of how industry uses media to create markets for products people don't really need. People don't need beef, in fact it makes them sick and kills them. But the beef industry isn't going to stop attempting to create and maintain a market for their product no matter how many people know the truth about how unnecessary beef is to human health.

[dreamer]

I agree that we have been manipulated up to a point. However, some people (I've run into quite a few and am related to some of them:rolleyes:) remain in denial about the truth--even if they are given the facts--because they enjoy the taste of animal products. Then if it wasn't for the farmer and person who did the slaughtering, many people would probably not eat meat. So I think it is partially the consumer's fault, partly the farmer/slaughterer's fault, and partly the huge agribusiness/fast food business' fault (which also impacts gov't policy). In a way, I think they're all in collusion to make things just as bad as they are now:(

[Bowwowmeow]

I don't mean that the consumer is blameless, its just a great big mess that's got to be unraveled from multiple points. People do like the taste and smell of animal produce, and the trouble with this is, when you enjoy the results of your brainwashing, you don't care that you've been brainwashed. :shakehead: :(

[VeganD]

Some good posts

But I would say it’s more the consumers fault then any one else’s they are creating a demand and as long as that’s there farmers and abattoirs will not stop

Now I take your point about the cell phones but again why are manufacturers making cell phones because they know that consumers will buy them

It’s all on the consumers just like music and artists the management can put out whatever they like but if the consumer doesn’t buy the music where does that leave the management and artist

Same thing

[1vegan]

Now I take your point about the cell phones but again why are manufacturers making cell phones because they know that consumers will buy them



I think manufacturers make things cause there might be a small demand, and because they know they can convince/brainwash people into believing they need it.

The manufacturer creates "demand" with advertising and such.

Have you ever seen how certain medication is being pushed on the U.S TV?

Or how we in Europe are made to believe you need special yogurt to not feel bloated and such? (activia yoghurt)

[VeganD]

Well I can’t say I have heard much about activia yoghurt but as far as cell phones go I have one because I like to keep in contact with people not because manufacturers or advertising has forced me to buy one but maybe others believe more easier them me

A little off the subject if they brought a drug out tomorrow that could stop you getting cancer would you take it?

I wouldn’t and why I wouldn’t is because I will deal with it if and when it comes I don’t understand the point in taking a drug that claims to do this and that when in fact for all I know it could increase my chances of getting it after all there data is collected from inaccurate animal studies

[Bowwowmeow]

Or how we in Europe are made to believe you need special yogurt to not feel bloated and such? (activia yoghurt)
Oh yeah, they market that stuff here too.

Its funny in a way to think of all the things we have now that we can't live without, that generations before us never even dreamed of. My Pa lived to be 101, and never even had an answering machine for his telephone, or a computer either. Look at all these Ipod thingies and mp3 players, and even video games. Microwave technology was developed for the space program, not for cooking food, but some clever person decided to convince people that microwave ovens were something you can't live without either, and now everyone's got to have one.

That's a good point about the drugs and their advertisements too 1vegan. People used to rely on the doctors to decide which medications they might need. That wasn't good enough for the pharmaceutical companies. Now they tell people directly, through advertising, to tell their doctors they need this stuff.

For every person who stands up and says "I don't need meat and neither do you" there are at least ten people from the meat industry who rush in and say "Oh yes you do! Meat is the best source of several nutrients, and besides, it TASTES GOOD." :rolleyes: Unfortunately, this is what people want to hear, so they listen. The industry knows this, so they take advantage of it.

[Oracl]

A little off the subject if they brought a drug out tomorrow that could stop you getting cancer would you take it?
:no: No, I would prefer to keep my drug-free status intact! ;)

I think that eating a healthy vegan whole food diet is the best way to reduce the probability of getting most cancers. :yum: I'll take my chances on that rather than taking a drug. :)

[1vegan]

Well I can’t say I have heard much about activia yoghurt but as far as cell phones go I have one because I like to keep in contact with people not because manufacturers or advertising has forced me to buy one but maybe others believe more easier them me

In my view, it's not your choice because you made a decision, but the industry has made society feel it's needed to have a cellphone, so it's "normal" to have one.

I remember the time that portable phones were special, only CEO's would have them and they came with a two pound (weight) battery.

A lot of the people that I see using cellphones, use them for unneeded communication, like "honey, the white bread is no longer in stock, is it ok to take whole wheat this time?"

Or in public transport "yes, we're just turning into x-street, I'll be there in 10 minutes"

In my view, it's really not needed to be reachable all the time at any given time (unless you run a business)

Maybe carrying a phone around takes away some insecurities, but I can do without it.

[Gliondrach]

That's a good point about the drugs and their advertisements too 1vegan. People used to rely on the doctors to decide which medications they might need. That wasn't good enough for the pharmaceutical companies. Now they tell people directly, through advertising, to tell their doctors they need this stuff.

For

And drug company salespeople encourage and bribe physicians to prescribe certain drugs - some of them for uses that they were not approved for.

[dreamer]

I have a cell phone, but it's for emergencies (like my car breaking down, which so far it hasn't:crossfingers:). There have been a few occasions where I used it to call my mom from work (as it's long-distance). But in a year's time I maybe use it half a dozen times for maybe 30-60 minutes total. And now that most Americans have cell phones, pay phones are almost extinct!

[Gliondrach]

I don't have a mobile 'phone and never will have one.

[thevegantwins]

I have a cell phone, but it's for emergencies (like my car breaking down, which so far it hasn't:crossfingers:).

That's when Mr. TVT convinced me to get a cell phone. I broke down, at night, in Newark, New Jersey (not the safest city at all) when I was going for my MSW at Rutgers. I had to run around in the dark on drug-infested streets looking for a payphone.

[dreamer]

That sounds scary:speechless: I'm so glad you got through that OK and now have a cell phone so you won't have to look for a pay phone again in such situations:thumbsup: (Of course I hope that you NEVER get in that situation again anyway:crossfingers:)

[my3labs]

Ok, I'll admit it. I have a company cell phone and it's on all the time. I'm always responding to emails, texts, and looking at things online.
I used to have an "emergency only" personal phone but things have changed.

[Fauxmage]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
How did this turn into a "cell phone confessions" thread? ;)

[Fauxmage]

Are we supposed to turn our clocks back this weekend? I haven't heard a thing about it, and my step-Mom is convinced its not until sometime in November. If you knew her like I do, you would know that when she is this confident about something, its just GOT to be the opposite of whatever she thinks. :laugh: :whistle:

[Oracl]

Well it's this weekend for most of the states here in Oz. It's always the last weekend in October. :)

(To put our clocks forward, I mean! :bhead: )

[Gliondrach]

Ours go back at 2 AM tomorrow, Sunday. Good, back to the proper time again.

[Gliondrach]

Ours go back at 2 AM tomorrow, Sunday. Good, back to the proper time again.

It's a bit inconvenient having to turn them back at such a time. That means I have to stay awake until then.

[thevegantwins]

I heard that the US isn't until early November. I haven't heard anything about this weekend.

[my3labs]

I believe it's November 4th for those of us in the US.

[dreamer]

Yep, it's Sunday, November 4th at 2 AM. Our wonderful gov't changed it last year to help save oil reserves/energy and it's going to stay that way unless they change it back:rolleyes:

[Gliondrach]

Do cats and dogs have belly buttons? They are born with umbilical cords so they should have them. I can't recall seeing one on my darling Mandy.

Having said that, perhaps I almost recall that there was a small bump in that area - or is my memory playing tricks?

[dreamer]

I can definitely see my dog's belly button...more just like a small anti-bump;) That is, sorta an indentation not too far above his penis. I also think since Buffy's surgical shaving, I can see what was probably her belly button in the middle of the incision they cut to get to her bladder. So yeah, I'm pretty close to positive that they have belly buttons:uhuh:

[Gliondrach]

I think Mandy did have a bump - more like a pimple - somewhere on her belly area.

[dreamer]

Maybe she had an "outy":D

[my3labs]

All three of mine have belly buttons but they're definitely "outies".

[Gliondrach]

What about rabbits? Do they have them?

[dreamer]

According to the House Rabbit Society, they do. I've never been able to see my rabbits' belly buttons (all that fur), but I'm pretty sure most--if not all--mammals have belly buttons.

[Gliondrach]

Even George DD Bush?

[dreamer]

I guess so...unless you're implying that he's not even a mammal:rubchin:

[Phoenix]

I think it is easy to mistake a person with strongly expressed opinions as someone who thinks they are better than other people. And maybe some people do that because they do think they are better than other people. I don't want to better than other people. I just want them to stop hurting animals.

Well said. :agree:

There are definitely still different expectations of men and women. I mean, lots of people still don't want a woman President because they think she'll start a nuclear war during PMS :rolleyes:

And God alone knows what she would do once she hit menopause! :rollingpin: :rolleyes:

I am so glad we have this forum to talk to each other because without it I would feel I was alone in this but it’s nice to know others feel the same way as me ...

... I don’t know if you guys do you’re shopping online or not but when i go to the supermarket and see peoples trolleys loaded up with dead animals i can’t say how i feel ...

Comments made elsewhere on this forum about supermarkets have made me much more aware, and now I try to look happy while I shop. It's amazing how many people stare into my shopping cart - and some actually comment. :dizzy: Although the last time I felt the need to explain that I'm a vegan, at least the woman responded with a comment along the lines of that must be the reason that I have "such beautiful skin". :curtsey:

Its complicated. We live in a world full of people who want to be rich, and they can't get rich without convincing people to buy things they don't need ...

... Its easy to blame the consumer at first glance, but giving it deeper thought shows that the average consumer, who has been trained since childhood by the public school system not to think or question anything, is being hopelessly manipulated by industry leaders to believe they need what that industry is selling. I think that as humans we all have a duty and a responsibility to ourselves and others to examine everything for ourselves, and not accept what we are told blindly, but most people can't do this on their own, and it is a skill that our society has a vested interest in making sure people don't get taught. Its true that if the consumers for a certain product disappeared, no one could sell that product. But in today's world, if there is no market, the industry creates one. Look at how many people have pagers and cell phones now, when twenty years ago the only people who needed pagers were doctors. That's just one example of how industry uses media to create markets for products people don't really need. People don't need beef, in fact it makes them sick and kills them. But the beef industry isn't going to stop attempting to create and maintain a market for their product no matter how many people know the truth about how unnecessary beef is to human health.

Once again, well said. :agree:

I don't have a mobile 'phone and never will have one.

:shakehead:

[VeganD]

What do you do when you buy something and it comes with a free leather item

I want the item but not the leather so i guess i will sell it on but then i feel that im promoting leather

[Gliondrach]

I don't know. If you sell it or give it to someone it might stop them buying one from a shop.

[1vegan]

What do you do when you buy something and it comes with a free leather item

I want the item but not the leather so i guess i will sell it on but then i feel that im promoting leather

I few years ago I bought an mp3 player, that came with a leather pouch thingy, but I discovered that after I had bought it.
The leather thing is some where in a box, I never used it.

[1vegan]

What do you with jeans that have leather tag on it? or do you keep searching till you found jeans without such leather(?) tags?

[thevegantwins]

What do you do when you buy something and it comes with a free leather item

I want the item but not the leather so i guess i will sell it on but then i feel that im promoting leather

We've had that happen with cell phones that came with a free leather case. We chose not to buy that particular cell phone and let the company know why.

[VeganD]

What i want to buy is 2nd hand to begin with it just comes with a leather case so i am not directly supporting any companies matter of fact the case wouldn’t have originally come with the item it would have been purchase separately

I would always really try to avoid buying anything new from a company that supplies a free leather case with it that’s why i go 2nd hand

I don’t have jeans that are leather well at least i don’t think i do they are all cotton but you could be quite right i never thought about the tags as the only thing i check when buying new clothes is they are not wool or leather but i never really thought about the tags on the outside of them like the badges

Thanks

[VeganD]

I was trying to find something and i came across this what fucking scum

ww.stephentapp.com/site/johnsonoutdoors/files/images/Stephen_On_The_Water/A_Feed_.jpg

ww.stephentapp.com/site/johnsonoutdoors/files/images/3_1.jpg


I wish we could stop it i am fed up with it all

Every single time their body leaves that water they suffocate to death

Scum

[Gliondrach]

Those grinning ninnies must think they've done something wonderful. They obviously have no concern about the suffering they cause.

[Oracl]

This has been troubling me recently. :confused:

Why are "No-Kill Animal Shelters" called that? How many of them are involved in no killing at all? Don't almost all of them use other animals, who have been killed, as food for the inmates of the shelter? :(

Any thoughts? I'm having a bad day I think. :sorry:

[Gliondrach]

The 'no-kill' part only refers to their policy of not killing unwanted animals that no one wants to adopt.

[thevegantwins]

Comes back to that belief that cats and dogs are not food while chicken, cows, fish etc.. are.

[Oracl]

The 'no-kill' part only refers to their policy of not killing unwanted animals that no one wants to adopt.
Sad huh? :(

Comes back to that belief that cats and dogs are not food while chicken, cows, fish etc.. are.
And this is why I maintain my view that all dependent domesticated animals should not be allowed to breed and should therefore die out over time. Otherwise, in an ideal vegan world of the future, what on earth would we feed to the cats and dogs who depend on us?* :confused:

* I think that must be my next question! :rubchin:

[thevegantwins]

I think I've seen the answer to this before but I can't remember it.

Why do you never see baby pigeons, only adults?

[Gliondrach]

I have seen baby pigeons. If you mean the really small ones - they stay in the nest until they are big enough to fly. If you look carefully next Spring and Summer, you will see some smaller pigeons who still have bits of fluff on their heads and wings. They will usually be trying to get food - pigeon milk - from either parent. They make a sqeaking noise and are very persistent in their attempts to get food.

My friend, Muhammad, was not fully grown when I found him, and he had bits of fluff on his feathers. The little pigeon that I rescued last year was very small, but sadly died. I named him or her Trafalgar after the street where I found him/her. Almost the exact same spot that I found Muhammad exactly 30 years earlier.

[Bowwowmeow]

Otherwise, in an ideal vegan world of the future, what on earth would we feed to the cats and dogs who depend on us?* :confused:

* I think that must be my next question! :rubchin:
Lab cloned meat. Its origins aren't vegan, but you don't need to kill anyone to get the cell culture.
I will volunteer my cells to get us started.

[Bowwowmeow]

Why is yawning contagious? :yawn:

[thevegantwins]

I don't know but reading your question made me yawn. :)

[dreamer]

Perhaps this will answer your question (or at least give you something to consider): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6270036.stm

[Gliondrach]

Staying alert is probably the answer.

I find it hard to believe that dogs yawn to stay calm. Mandy oftened yawned at home. She had no need to try to stay calm as she was already calm.

[dreamer]

I can tell my dog does yawn to stay calm at times. He's very nervous about my leaving the house or being out of his sight. But I think he also yawns to stay alert at times too. Maybe the researchers just didn't want to think that non-human animals might have some of the same reasons for yawning:rolleyes:

[Gliondrach]

Yawn at him and see what he does.

I'm yawning now. I like yawning.

[Bowwowmeow]

Thanks dreamer, that was interesting! And yes, dogs do yawn for stress relief.

[Bowwowmeow]

Why is it that when dogs dream, they make noises they never make when they are awake? :dogface 4: :dream:

[Oracl]

Lab cloned meat. Its origins aren't vegan, but you don't need to kill anyone to get the cell culture.
I will volunteer my cells to get us started.

:rolleyes2: Anything to be able to keep breeding and feeding those 'happy slaves' I guess! :( :whiteflag:

:zip: No more questions from me. I don't think I can cope with the answers! :shakehead:

[dreamer]

Why is it that when dogs dream, they make noises they never make when they are awake? :dogface 4: :dream:

I think I know what kind of noises you're talking about:D I'm not sure, but I think part of it is due to the fact that when you're dreaming (this happens in dogs too), your brain releases a chemical which basically paralyzes many of your muscles. It even slightly effects breathing. Perhaps this could cause a noise to come out "strange" because the noise the dog is making could be affected by this lack of muscle tone/paralysis:rubchin:

[dreamer]

:rolleyes2: Anything to be able to keep breeding and feeding those 'happy slaves' I guess! :( :whiteflag:

:zip: No more questions from me. I don't think I can cope with the answers! :shakehead:

I'm not sure making "human" flesh-based food would be a good idea...do we really want our companion animals thinking of us as food? :skeptical: :blecch: [That's part of the reason I wouldn't even consider giving my dog or cat any food with "rabbit" as an ingredient!]

As far as being w/o our companion animals, I think with dogs we could probably safely change them over to vegan foods. Cats would be more problematic, especially those that already have problems (like my poor kitty who keeps having bladder stones). Unfortunately, I don't foresee--at least not in my lifetime--the end of animal agriculture:(

[VeganD]

If you dislike me after this i will understand but hope you will appreciate my honesty, well today i brought a bun that had milk in it but i still consider my self very much vegan i went straight into this without knowing anything about it so i don’t know if having a small cake once a year is bad or not

I find buying cakes pretty limiting and im not much of a cook even at birthdays i go without when everyone else is having cake so i don’t think having a small bun once a year with milk in it is bad or is it?

Now i brought the bun i kind of wish i didn’t

I still haven’t opened them yet until i do i can leave eating them or give them to someone else sooooo

I did use to have this really easy vegan cake book could make some great vegan cakes with it, but i lost it and after that i have gone without because i cannot find another one as easy

[Gliondrach]

I'd advise you not to eat them. It could be the thin end of the wedge. Are there no wholefood or heathfood shops near you? Even Holland and Barrett sometimes has vegan cakes. Have a look around for a new book - try the vegan society.

There's a great recipe link on this site somewhere with cakes in it.

[Gliondrach]

Here's something:

http://www.thenakedvegan.net/showthread.php?t=57&highlight=recipes

[Gliondrach]

I like the Co-op's crumpets toasted. I have been told that they are nice with jam and cream on them. Substitue some soya cream and they would be a nice sweet treat. But make sure they are vegan crumpets as the Co-op has two of its own brands but only one is suitable for vegans.

Here are some cake recipes. I wish my oven worked so I could make some.

htt p://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Vegan-Chocolate-Cake/Detail.aspx

ht tp://ww w.grouprecipes.com/s/vegan-cake/recipe/1/relevancy

h ttp://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=6516.0

[VeganD]

If i put them out for the birds will they come out to eat them even when its this cold?

Shame you dont live near me i would try and get you a cheap oven you really could do with one then maybe we could swap cooking tips

[Gliondrach]

The birds will be out by first light looking for food.

I am used to not having an oven. When I were a lad no one had ovens - except rich people. We used to burn floorboards to boil a kettle for a cup of tea.

[thevegantwins]

I am used to not having an oven. When I were a lad no one had ovens - except rich people. We used to burn floorboards to boil a kettle for a cup of tea.

We couldn't even boil a kettle, no floorboards, just packed earth. :(

[Bowwowmeow]

If you dislike me after this i will understand but hope you will appreciate my honesty, ...

Now i brought the bun i kind of wish i didn’t
There's your answer VeganD. :agree: As you gain experience you will be better able to avoid doing this in the future.

And no, I don't dislike you, and I do appreciate your honesty. Sometimes I think this world is set up just to make decent people fail, no matter what. But you've got to keep working toward what you know is right, especially when you make mistakes, no matter whether they are intentional mistakes or accidental ones.

[VeganD]

Thanks

I still have the receipt so i think i might take them back and try and get my money back for them, but they only had about 2 days left in date will they still take them back if they are out of date but in date when i brought them?

[Oracl]

...will they still take them back if they are out of date but in date when i brought them?
I doubt it. :shakehead: But don't tell them and see if they notice the date! :whistle: ;)

[Gliondrach]

Tell them that you didn't know they had milk in them and that if you have anything with milk you will have a strong allergic reaction and would need to be taken to hosptal. Tell them you would suffer from anaphylactic shock, which could be life threatening.
ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_allergy

[Gliondrach]

We couldn't even boil a kettle, no floorboards, just packed earth. :(

We didn't have floorboards. We used to burn the floorboards of rich people.

[Phoenix]

If you dislike me after this i will understand but hope you will appreciate my honesty, well today i brought a bun that had milk in it but i still consider my self very much vegan i went straight into this without knowing anything about it so i don’t know if having a small cake once a year is bad or not

I find buying cakes pretty limiting and im not much of a cook even at birthdays i go without when everyone else is having cake so i don’t think having a small bun once a year with milk in it is bad or is it?

Now i brought the bun i kind of wish i didn’t ...

I don't dislike you, VeganD, and like BWM, I appreciate your honesty. :)

I am a bit of a cake-aholic :dribble: but I can't find vegan cake ready-made in my town. So I am slowly but surely learning to cook :chef: vegan sweeties. The big problem is at this time of year it's too damn hot :boil: to have the oven on ... so no cake. :no: :crying:

Roll on winter. :agree:

I hope that you made a decision you can live with, about the buns. :)

[Phoenix]

Stupid but serious question! :o

Where do you folks get your information from about what is going on in the world? :dizzy:

I watch some TV - news, current affairs programs, documentaries (including one on Darfur the other night which I watched for ten minutes and then switched off. It will haunt me for the rest of my days.) :crying:

We don't get a daily newspaper because we don't like to "waste the trees", basically, and the newspaper is mostly full of ad's anyway. :hbang:

And I believe that most "news" is carefully controlled anyway. :skeptical:

So where can I get reliable, up-to-date information? (Apart from here, of course?) :grouphug2:

[Gliondrach]

I used to get a paper every day. I haven't bought one for a few years now. I get my news from the radio, telly and internet. It can be hard to tell what is true and what is not. If the news/information is likely to benefit big business or the government, it is more likely to be untrue. If the news/information goes against them, it is more likely to be true-ish.

If it's embarrassing to some politician, it is probably true - unless it also directly benefits the opposition.

[VeganD]

I took them back and got my money back so all is well and i can now say no money of mine has caused any animal to suffer

It was a mistake and i wish i didn’t do it but when i saw them they looked really nice and i just wanted them but now i can say no harm done

I hope one day vegan will go main stream and we can buy ready made vegan foods every where we go

I don’t think being vegan is limiting but i would say it does involve more cooking for yourself unless you live near a shop that sells vegan foods

I feel i do my part in the world even though it maybe small i try to do what i can to help our friends

Like many of you on here i haven't been vegetarian all my life shame to say, but when you’re a kid you don’t understand about these things so you eat what you are given

Anyhow off the subject of this

Don’t you really just dislike it when you tell someone your vegan and they say things like i couldn’t live without my meat, I despise it when they say
(their meat) like they fucking own it or something

Now the other question i have for my vegan friends is do you think when i find a snail on the path way or on the road i should move it to some where safe? The reason i ask this is because when you move that snail you are changing the course of its life is this right to do? what if i move it to some where safe and because of the result of me moving it it now gets killed, where before it would have lived

People make out being vegan is a big deal do you think it is? i am just so glad that i know you guys just think of the vegans out there that have no one to turn to and because of this they give up, i almost did my self but kept vegan because i had you guys from around the forums

By the way i now have earthlings i haven't watched it and i am not sure i can i just get to upset after watching things like that so i will keep it until the next person comes along and says something like why shouldn’t i eat animals? they don’t suffer so what’s wrong with it? at that point maybe the documentary will come in handy

[Gliondrach]

We're here to help each other. There aren't many of us in the world and we need to stick together.

About the snails - I would move them if they were on a busy path or road. They can be crushed there or be seen by birds. They'd probably be better off in some grass. If they are already heading towards safety I would probably leave them. It's not always easy to know what is best.

[VeganD]

If you knew by moving a snail would cause another animal to go without food would you still do it if you knew that animal would have nothing to eat that night?

[Bowwowmeow]

That's a tough one VeganD. If the snails were in immediate danger of being stepped on by malicious children for entertainment purposes I would move them, or if they were heading into the street I would. I did once save a butterfly from a spider's web. I was a kid and I couldn't help myself. I also pick up snakes heading into the street and put them in the bushes, if I can't coax them in any other way. I don't always empathize solely with prey animals, just with those who appear to be in immediate danger, or in a position I would not want to be in. Its hardest when following your conscience means you may not be doing something that is absolutely right, from a moral perspective.

[VeganD]

You pick up snakes, i think i would run if i did find one in danger i would try and save it but i think i would have to use something to pick it up with

I guess in the US you find a lot of them in the UK we don’t see them well i don’t any way so maybe that’s why i am scared of them

[Gliondrach]

If you take a snail to safety a bird might miss a meal and can always have another meal. But if a snail is caught it doesn't have a second chance.

[thevegantwins]

Do cats whiskers grow back after they fall out?

[1vegan]

Do cats whiskers grow back after they fall out?

I think they do, but can't prove it

[paul]

Do cats whiskers grow back after they fall out?


Ive known cats whiskers to grow back, but it would possible depend on why the whiskers fell out.:cat1::bcat::catn:

[Bowwowmeow]

Yes, they shed and grow back just like other hairs, but they are longer-lived than ordinary hairs.

[Phoenix]

... Now the other question i have for my vegan friends is do you think when i find a snail on the path way or on the road i should move it to some where safe? The reason i ask this is because when you move that snail you are changing the course of its life is this right to do? what if i move it to some where safe and because of the result of me moving it it now gets killed, where before it would have lived ...

Glad you got your money back on the food, VeganD. :)

As for the snails, there are a lot around these parts and I always move them if they seem to be in immediate danger. But if they are on safe ground and there don't seem to be any sadistic humans around - as BWM commented on - then I leave them to their own devices and hope for the best. :crossfingers:

[VeganD]

I saw on TV a few days back this lady was working with rescued animals in this shelter and she took so much pride in her job, she had this one favourite dog she was close too on her breaks she would let the dog out to run around

Then from no where the dog attacked her ripping off half of her arm she was on the floor lying in blood

After this the dog has been put down what really pisses me off is why is it when an animal attacks someone they put it down yet you get humans that kill in cold blood know what they are doing and get a 2nd chance

How come they dont get put down like animals do

[my3labs]

How come they dont get put down like animals do
Because humans are sick and selfish. We put our own species ahead of any other animal and/or the planet.

[thevegantwins]

Because humans are sick and selfish. We put our own species ahead of any other animal and/or the planet.

:agree: :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree:

[Phoenix]

Is it safe to feed crows peanuts?

I was walking past a park when I saw a crow and I said hello to it. It was about ten feet away and it walked straight towards me, then it walked along side me about a foot away. I stopped and it stopped. I was eating peanuts and the crow just looked at me as if to say, "P-l-e-a-s-e can I have some of whatever you're having?"

So is it safe to give peanuts to crows?

[Gliondrach]

As an acknowledged expert on crows, I can tell you that they can be fed peanuts. I am not the foremost authority on Aussie Crows, though. Sir Les Paterson is the one to ask about them. But, in case you doubt me, have a look at this:

'Crows can even recognize individual humans. McGowen, who has fed peanuts to crows, reports on his website that crows recognize him, even when he is far afield, and follow him for peanuts. They even recognize his car, following it down the street. If he doesn't respond with peanuts, they swoop in front of the windshield.'
ht tp://w ww.startribune.com/lifestyle/homegarden/11253326.html

ht tp://w ww.ersarts.com/cgi-bin/pikie/ersarts/ersarts.py?TheCrowsOfMontlake

h ttp://ww w.upinontario.com/mt/archives/000512.html


h ttp://gizmodo.com/gadgets/genius!/crow-vending-machineas-foretold-by-hitchcock-260018.php

[Phoenix]

Thank you very much from me & the crow.

[Bowwowmeow]

My Dad's crows know my truck. When I park, they are waiting for me, and expect me to go over to his garage door, open it, and give them peanuts. My Dad keeps loads of unsalted, unshelled peanuts for them, and there is some nasty old hag a couple of houses down who complains to the homeowners' association about it. So we go around the side of the house where she can't see, and I give them peanuts, and sometimes dog kibble. The squirrels like the peanuts too, and one little old black squirrel takes them right from my hand now. :colors:

If it wasn't my Dad's house, but mine, I would feed them right on front of that hag's house. :stir:

[Gliondrach]

There are some joyless miseryguts in this world.

Some crows roll walnuts into the path of cars and then pick out the bits of nut from the broken shell. They are very intelligent birds. And there is no record of any of them ever complaining about humans.

[Phoenix]

My Dad's crows know my truck. When I park, they are waiting for me, and expect me to go over to his garage door, open it, and give them peanuts. My Dad keeps loads of unsalted, unshelled peanuts for them, and there is some nasty old hag a couple of houses down who complains to the homeowners' association about it. So we go around the side of the house where she can't see, and I give them peanuts, and sometimes dog kibble. The squirrels like the peanuts too, and one little old black squirrel takes them right from my hand now. :colors:



How adorable! :smallheart:

And there is no record of any of them ever complaining about humans.

Crows have very nice manners.

[thevegantwins]

Mr. TVT and I have a debate. I say that a belch is a louder, more intense burp. He says that a belch and a burp are the same thing but burp is the less polite way of saying it. Dictionary.com gives as 'to belch' as the definition of burp while the definition of belch is to expel air forcefully.

So what exactly is the difference between a belch and a burp?

[Gliondrach]

I'd say that they are the same. There's Sir Toby Belch, from Shakespeare and there was a bare-knuckle boxer here called Jem Belcher, in the early 19th Century.

[Tails4wagging]

I say a man belches and a woman burps. Sounds more polite.:)

[thevegantwins]

So who farts? :fart:

[my3labs]

So who farts? :fart:
Dan!!!

[Tails4wagging]

You mean the south wind. Sounds more polite to say either the north wind or south..:)

Every animal has a south wind problem and certainly my two girls.

[Oracl]

I say that a belch is a louder, more intense burp.
I agree with you TVT! :agree:

[Gliondrach]

You mean the south wind. Sounds more polite to say either the north wind or south..:)

Every animal has a south wind problem and certainly my two girls.

I like it when, in the Darling Buds of May, Sid Larkin belches at breakfast, thumps his chest and says: 'Pardon me, morning breeze'.

[thevegantwins]

How come San Franciscans don't like their city to be called 'Frisco'? New Jersey is called Jersey by many and we don't mind.

[Gliondrach]

Newcastle is never called Castle.

[Bowwowmeow]

How come San Franciscans don't like their city to be called 'Frisco'? New Jersey is called Jersey by many and we don't mind.
I don't know, but its definitely a no-no. Technically it should be Cisco, but nobody does that either.

[Fauxmage]

Who was the very first real-life king of England?

[squirrel]

Think it was King Ethelred the ready..
:D haha Tails

Wikipedia reckons it was Egbert I.
Don't forget that's only for England. Wales, Scotland and Ireland had their own monachs and princes.

[Gliondrach]

Fuzzy told me that it was Athelstan.

[thevegantwins]

Fuzzy told me that it was Athelstan.

Felíne told me it was Kong but she isn't the brightest cat. :D

[Gliondrach]

But Fuzzy is an acknowledged authority on such matters. He was there. And then.

[Fauxmage]

I wonder what has happened to the ALF forum?

[Gliondrach]

I don't know but it's been off the air for months. Another AR-speciality forum is Animal Rights Community Online.
http://www.animalsuffering.com/forum/

The ALF forum is back at:
http://www.animalrightsdiscussion.com/Forum/index.php

[Gliondrach]

Welcome to the forum, LoraHup.

I think the universe is too mysterious to be fully understood.

We have a thread about the Many Worlds Interpretation on the forum.

[Bowwowmeow]

Why am I so chock-full of static electricity that I get a shock from just about anything I touch sometimes? I don't know anyone else like this. I can't even touch canned food on grocery shelves without getting a shock sometimes. Does anyone know about the health implications of being electrified?

[Gliondrach]

It's usually caused by the charge that you have built up on your own body. I have invented a patented device that continues to release electrostatic build up as soon as it builds up so it can't all be released at once. It consists of a metal belt which has a piece of copper wire dangling down to the floor. This safely discharges the build up. Get in touch if you'd like a brochure. Or you can read more about the potential health dangers in the link below:


ht tp://wolfsonelectrostatics.com/news/news-item12.asp

[Gliondrach]

Is a gander a male goose, or is a goose a female gander?

[Bowwowmeow]

A gander is a male goose. The female is the default form for mammals, and must be acted upon by male hormones in order to change.

I thought you were our answer-man. :dizzy:

[Bowwowmeow]

I had a question I've been meaning to ask here, but now I have forgotten it. Why does that happen? :crazier:

[Gliondrach]

A gander is a male goose. The female is the default form for mammals, and must be acted upon by male hormones in order to change.

I thought you were our answer-man. :dizzy:

I didn't express myself clearly. I was wondering what the original name for this bird is. In some European languages, the word is something like 'gans'. :book:

[Gliondrach]

I had a question I've been meaning to ask here, but now I have forgotten it. Why does that happen? :crazier:

I know the answer, but I can't think of it.

One way to remember a word is to go through the alphabet: ay, ah, arr, bee, beh, buh, etc., trying all the different sounds for each letter.

Sometimes, though, you can suddenly remember a word because you thought of some other word that doesn't sound like it. But it sounds like something else associated with the word. You might be trying to think of the word 'dome'. You see a picture of a mug and this reminds you of dome. That's because the mug might remind you of 'cup' and you might know that a dome is also a cupola - or can have a cupola on it. Cup reminds you of cupola, which reminds you of dome.

The mind is a strange thing.

[Bowwowmeow]

I didn't express myself clearly. I was wondering what the original name for this bird is. In some European languages, the word is something like 'gans'. :book:And I left out "so maybe it's the same for birds" from my post, making it look like I think geese are mammals. :lol: I shouldn't post before nap-time. It's not the first time that's happened recently. :p

[Gliondrach]

I didn't notice your mistake. You should have just kept quiet about it. Like I do with mine.

[Bowwowmeow]

I thought it was funny. :smile:

[Bowwowmeow]

What's the "Yorkshire Strangeness"?

[Gliondrach]

It is something strange about some Yorkshire people. They are not like other people. My dad was from Yorkshire. And so was my darling Mandy, but she was a dog-type and the Strangeness only applies to human-types.

[nagev]

What was my question that I just forgot?

[Gliondrach]

You were going to ask if the Gunpowder Plot of 1605 could have succeeded. The answer is: quite possibly.

[nagev]

Strange, I didn't even know about the Gunpowder Plot of 1605, that or I've completely wiped it from my mind. Until this very instant.

[Gliondrach]

Is it true that gunpowder separates into its constituent parts if stored for too long? If so, Guy Fawkes wouldn't have been able to detonate it.

[nagev]

I think it has something to do with the sodium nitrate used vs the potasium nitrate. One absorbs moisture easier than the other and so one can be stored for a long time, while the other absorbs water.

[Gliondrach]

I see.

[Gliondrach]

Why do television reporters stand outside buildings that have some relevance to what they are reporting?

You'll see the economics editor standing outside the Bank of England when he's talking about interest rates. You'll see the political editor standing outside 10 Downing Street when he's talking about the Prime Minister. You'll see the Defence correspondent standing outside the MoD when he's talking about Defence spending cuts.

What is the point of going to those places? They can't give a more authoritative report just by being close to the buildings. They could say what they say just as easily if they were sitting in the studio. That would save a lot of money that's wasted on sending a camera crew out to the locations.

[nagev]

Are they actually there or is it just green screens and then someone puts a relevant building in the background? Or perhaps they're there trying to interview someone about the topic. :shrug:

[Bowwowmeow]

Well it wouldn't be very good if it looked like they actually make up the news, now, would it? :rubchin:

[Gliondrach]

No, they are actually there. It sometimes takes about 2 seconds for them to hear what the person in the studio is saying. That's because it has to bounce off about 6 satellites. They are probably only a mile from the studio. In the old days, communication was almost instantaneous.

When they are on the evening news, they are standing there in front of an empty building.

[Gliondrach]

What are orchestra conductors for? I was waiting to watch Dad's Army and saw the end of the previous programme - BBC Proms 2010. The orchestra was playing some tune and the conductor was waving his arms about all over the place. None of the musicians glanced his way even once. They were all concentrating on their music scores.

And why do people choose to play the trombone or tuba? Not the most tuneful of instruments.

[Vinnie]

I think they keep the time.

[Bowwowmeow]

Why and how do stars appear to twinkle? I used to think that was just a literary device, never having seen stars twinkling in the San Francisco Bay Area sky, even in winter when it is relatively clear, but man they sure do twinkle around here! It is amazing!

[Gliondrach]

I thought it was to do with different densities in the atmosphere or because of something like the heat haze effect. But one would think there'd be less of that where you are now.

[nagev]

I thought it was to do with different densities in the atmosphere or because of something like the heat haze effect. But one would think there'd be less of that where you are now.

Yeah, the densities and movement and temperature differences in our atmosphere. They appear to twinkle more on the horizon, in general, than they do overhead.

My understanding is that they do not twinkle if you're in space viewing them. I've never been there though. :)

[Bowwowmeow]

Yeah, the densities and movement and temperature differences in our atmosphere. They appear to twinkle more on the horizon, in general, than they do overhead.

My understanding is that they do not twinkle if you're in space viewing them. I've never been there though. :)
Yes I had noticed the stars in the constellations near the horizon twinkling like mad. I can also finally see that stars really are different colors. I had read about it of course but never been able to tell before.

[nagev]

:)

[manzana]

Why does utopia not seem to be the goal of any society, when it's the most obvious conclusion that humans can reach together?

Also, why is there relatively little meaningful conversation taking place in our virtual reality of a world wide web?

[Gliondrach]

One person's utopia might be another person's dystopia. A vegan world wouldn't be to the tastes of a committed meat eating, hunting vivisector.

[nagev]

Why does utopia not seem to be the goal of any society, when it's the most obvious conclusion that humans can reach together?

I think, at least partly, because there are always people wanting more. More money, more power, more wealth.

Maybe also because it's so easy for people to classify people (and all animals really) into an 'Other' category that's somehow less deserving for whatever reason.

Also, why is there relatively little meaningful conversation taking place in our virtual reality of a world wide web?

*shrug* Meaningful is different for everyone? Or perhaps meaningful is kind of scary and/or uncomfortable, because people have to address something deeper, confront things, and what not?

[manzana]

In nature, why does there not seem to be one food, by itself, that is enough for humans to eat for optimum health?

[Gliondrach]

Toast - with tahini? And a multi-vitamin and mineral tablet. :hungry:

[Bowwowmeow]

Ripe bananas come the closest. You'd need spinach too, or kale. I did an analysis on Fitday once, and if you ate enough bananas and spinach you wouldn't need much of anything else, except maybe a brazil nut for your selenium.

[manzana]

Others online have mentioned hemp seeds, but there's obviously a lot of hype there because they cost $19 per pound at the local health food store (what a bunch of BS).

[Gliondrach]

a brazil nut for your selenium.

Are you sure one is enough? The selenium content varies according to the soil. I take three a day with some raisins after my dindins. Recently, I have been having a second helping so have been having six a day. I wouldn't eat more because too many can lead to selenium poisoning. Not sure how many. I read somewhere that three would give the selenium we need (taking into account the fluctuating content).

[Bowwowmeow]

I guess it depends on the size of the nut.

[manzana]

Ripe bananas come the closest.

I don't know, bananas don't list very high values per serving of anything besides sugar, some B6, C, and not as much potassium as they are hyped to have. Cantaloupe looks to contain a higher nutrition profile by weight (on many nutrients) than bananas.

[Bowwowmeow]

The bananas give you the calories from carbohydrate you need, in a volume you can handle. The spinach provides the protein, vitamins, and minerals. You probably couldn't eat enough cantaloupes to get sufficient calories to sustain you.

[manzana]

Yeah, bananas are about double the calories (but I'm a low calorie type of guy). ;)

[Gliondrach]

Do male dogs and cats have as many nipples as female dogs and cats?

[Bowwowmeow]

Yes.

[Gliondrach]

Well, you lives and learns.

[Gliondrach]

Elvis Presley sang about someone being like a hound-dog, crying all the time. Is 'hound-dog' a common expression in the US? Is it often used instead of 'dog'? I read that 'dog' might be an old British word existing before the English invaded these islands, and this set me off on a train of thought which led to Elvis.

[Bowwowmeow]

I don't know. Hound dogs do a lot of baying. Rufus rarely makes noise though.

What is a scouser?

[Gliondrach]

A Liverpudlian or inhabitant of Liverpool.

[Bowwowmeow]

But what does it mean? Is it something they eat or drink that the name comes from? Or something they do?

[Gliondrach]

According to this site: fortunecity.com/meltingpot/park/346/whatisscouse.html

it means:
The word comes from lobscouse, a sailor's (very likely a Norwegian sailor) dish of stewed meat, vegetables, and ship's biscuit, not unlike Irish stew. Lobscouser became a slang name for a sailor. As a port city, Liverpool became known for this dish. The word Scouser came to refer to a native of Liverpool, the city where they ate scouse, and Scouse referred also to the pronunciations and usages of that speech community. Debates about details continue, but some of the details are fascinating, for instance the fact that in Norway today Lapp Skews (not all that far from labscouse) are stewed strips of reindeer meat.
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But it is not the only port city, so why should it be associated with sailors' food?

[Gliondrach]

What is wrong with modern tomatoes? I've just had some with baked beans on toast. I cooked them longer than normal but they tasted raw and were very chewy. They looked ripe. This has happened a lot recently. I've also noticed that modern tomatoes have woody threads in the middle where the stalk was attached. But they extend far into the tomato. I have to cut them out. I don't remember tomatoes having this years ago.

[gabbles]

Do you think they're GM?

[Gliondrach]

They might be or they might be forced ripe so they look ripe but aren't.

[Bladerunner]

Just googled and found that tomatoes sold in the EU are not produced using GM. Unfortunately/fortunately? I've also found out that most vegetarian cheeses in the UK use GM produced rennet. Another good reason to go vegan. :yea: