Americans - Who Are You Supporting (Pres. Bid 2008)

[IndyVegan]

I was wondering who you are supporting for the upcoming 2008 Presidential Bid. If you could also state why you are supporting your candidate of choice it would be appreciated!!

If you know me, it's no secret that I am supporting Dennis Kucinich for President.

Here are some of my reasons:


He has ALWAYS been against the illegal invasion and subsequent illegal occupation of Iraq. He NEVER voted to go to war and has NEVER voted to fund the war. If your candidate voted to fund the war at anytime since its inception, it’s nothing more than a reauthorization to go to war all over again.

He is for Universal Health care for ALL Americans, not just the poor. It is said that there are 45 Million working Americans currently without any health insurance due to not being able to afford the high costs of it. I choose not to buy into it for ethical reasons and the fact that it would cost me in excess of $80.00 per month just for the policy alone.

He is for eliminating the deterioration of our rights, i.e. elimination of the Patriot Act.

He is for tax relief programs benefiting the working class and repelling the enormous tax cuts people who make over $200,000 a year were given by Bush and the Republican controlled congress during Bush’s first years in office.

His foreign policy is incredibly sound and if implemented, will restore a positive perception of America in the rest of the world. He is for conducting direct talks with Iran and Syria as opposed to threatening them with military action.

He is for mandatory labeling of food containing GMO’s.

He is pro-choice.

He is pro-gay marriage/unions.

He is vegan!!!!!!!!!!! Has been for over 20 years!!!!!!! Even if he wasn’t vegan, he is still by far the best choice based on his platform.

There are so many more positive aspects to his platform that I haven’t mentioned. Make sure you check out his website and his Myspace page for complete details. It’s always great to see the feedback people are giving him from all over America in his Myspace comment section.

With all that being said, I cannot fathom why anyone would support “Hypocrite” Hillary for president. She has supported going to war since day one and is only now coming out against it because it is the popular thing to do. Don’t believe me? Check out my blog section from my myspace page and watch the video I’ve posted in my blog titled “Hypocrite Hillary”. Watch for yourself and see her make false claims in 2002 (state Iraq/al-Qaida had ties, state Iraq had WMD which they were planning on using against the U.S., state Iraq was developing nuclear weapons) and then change her statements in 2007. She claims she didn’t have this information in 2002. Obviously she is lying because there were plenty of hearings on the subject or Iraq, and sound thinking lawmakers like Dennis Kucinch, who were able (and are able) to make the right judgment calls made the right call way back then as they are now.

Don’t get me started on Barack (I’d Nuke Iran) Obama.

[Gliondrach]

I have no say in the matter but Kucinich seems like he would be a good choice.

We had local council elections today. I voted Green. The only other choices were Labour, Conservative and Lib-Dem.

[Bowwowmeow]

If you know me, it's no secret that I am supporting Dennis Kucinich for President.
Well, I'm with you on this Indy. It seems at last like there is actually a positive reason for my selection this time around, and not just another case of choosing the lesser of two evils.

[IndyVegan]

I'll tell you what I'm tired of hearing is, "I support Dennis, but I have to get behind someone who can actually win". Well, for one, if everyone who said that would just vote their conscious and support Dennis, he'd stand a very good chance of winning the nomination. His performance in the first debate, and his appearance on Bill Maher's show have had a positive impact. We, the people, have to be the media for him since the corporate run media shuns him since he is not a "corporate whore" who will capitulate to big corporate interests like Obama, Giuliani (spelling ??), and Hillary would.

[Charmagne]

He is also who I would choose and hoping he does make the nomination.:crossfingers: Like you said we have to spread the word.

[IndyVegan]

Warning - big rant below!!!! :D

I posted this in my blog:

let me tell you how screwed up democrats are in their thinking. this is x$#@ing horrible; people who call themselves democrats, for the most part, need to hide their heads in shame. my reasoning??? seems like most of these so called dems have their heads up their rear ends. case in point? tonights republican debate. why? well take the polling numbers with regards to dennis kucinich. his platform is clearly in line with democratic values and after the debate where he clearly out shined his opposition, his numbers were still low. even though he was the only true anti-war candidate up there and the others have flip flopped their positions all over the place.

now take republicans, after tonights debate, a virtual unknown due to lack of campaign funding, and a severe lack of media "penis-riding", ron paul scores extremely well in the after polls after his points are made and he brings to everyone's attention who were unaware of his platform what exactly it is. why can people who watched this debate clearly make a distinction, and have ron rise from obscurity and smoke the so called front runners in the polling but dems find themselves having to still settle for one of the party's front runners who end up offering a much weaker platform than dennis kucinich?? i need to change my affiliation to an independent as i am ashamed to be grouped into such a closed minded bunch of dems who cannot even recognize who is offering the best platform.

anyway, if my man dennis doesn't pull off a victory in the primary due to democratic voter stupidity, go ron paul. it looks like ron is now off to one hell of a start and i am glad to see the republipuke base be able to recognize a guy based on substance rather than who the media tells them to vote for.

isn't this amazing???

for those of you who are unaware of who ron paul is, he is the true anti-war candidate on the repbulican side. he is also truly a libertarian who runs under the republican ticket. he serves a district in texas in the u.s. congress. aside from someone like nader, he is my second choice for president aside from dennis. he and dennis have co-sponsored bills in the past. he is not going to give us universal health care, but aside from that his platform is pretty solid and i sincerely hope he wins the republican primary.

[Soynut]

I will become an US citizen so that I can vote for Dennis in 2008.:thumbsup:

[IndyVegan]

Kriz, you're not a U.S. citizen? You live here right?

[Soynut]

No, I have a greencard, I'm a Norweigian citizen.

[thevegantwins]

I'm voting for Kucinich as is Mr. TVT. We both agree that though, unfortunately, he probably won't get enough votes during the primary, that isn't a reason to vote for a scumbag who we just don't believe in.

[IndyVegan]

Oh wow, Soy, what brought you here? Aren't Scandinavian countries much better than the U.S.?

@ Vegan Twins, that's great. I agree, I'd never throw away a vote on a Obama or Hillary type in a primary. I admit, I was warm to the idea of her running back in 2004, but that was because I was so pissed that Bush was able to manage getting into office for another 4 years. I've since thought about that, learned more about her, and severely regret my being happy she was possibly going to be a candidate. Not all Democrats are going to represent the core values of that party, and I am not going to fall for the lesser of two evils con.

I will vote for Dennis in the primary, and when he wins, go on to vote for him in the general election. If for some reason he doesn't pull it off, I sincerely hope that Ron Paul pulls it off on the other side or I will just skip out on voting fthis time around.

[Soynut]

Oh wow, Soy, what brought you here? Aren't Scandinavian countries much better than the U.S.?


All the Scandinavian countries are great to live in, they have well working justice systems and most people are somewhat liberal. Also, Sweden is the most secular country in the world (Suedes tend to believe more in nature instead of organized religion). All those things mentioned are a plus for me, but I also like US, of course. I love Santa Monica where I live, and I'm so torn between whatever I should move back to Norway (to secure my retirement) or If I should stay here. It's really difficult to like both places equally. I need a professional couch to help me make life decisions.:updn:

I've been here since I was 21 and i'm now almost 37, so I became an adult here. I don't have many friends there, and I've no experiene living alone in Noweigian society. I wouldn't even even know how and where to pay my bills.:o

[IndyVegan]

Ahh, I see, Soynut. I LOVE the fact that there are atheists in HUGE numbers throughout Scandinavia. I also love the fact that they have universal health care, they don't interfere with sovereign nations/promote war, death, bloodshed, and inequality, have a high literacy rate and very low crime. Looks to me, although I've never been there, that they are a far advanced society as compared the the mess we've got here in the U.S.

[1vegan]

and I'm so torn between whatever I should move back to Norway (to secure my retirement) or If I should stay here. It's really difficult to like both places equally. I need a professional couch to help me make life decisions.:updn:


I don't know how the norway system works, but in my country retirement payment is based on the number of years that you worked here.

To reach full (government) pension at the age of 65, they assume you have 40 working years here. If I go to the U.S for 10 years, then I'd loose 20% of my government pension ( 2% off for every year outside the country).

And the other difference between european countries and the U.S is that we pay more tax in general.
(you pay for what you get)

[Soynut]

I worked 3 years before I came to the US and If I work another 25 years there I will have a pension. That's why it's important to move back while one is relatively young. I'm not sure income tax is so much higher in Norway actually (at least not for regular folks), I think it's a myth. Believe it or not, we pay a lot of taxes here too, but we don't get medical insurance and many other benefits that European countries have. Maybe Dennis can change that!

[IndyVegan]

I worked 3 years before I came to the US and If I work another 25 years there I will have a pension. That's why it's important to move back while one is relatively young. I'm not sure income tax is not much higher in Norway actually (at least for regular folks), I think it's a myth. Believe it or not, we pay a lot of taxes here too, but we don't get medical insurance and many other benefits that European countries have. Maybe Dennis can change that!

Dennis would most definitely change that. However, it is so hard getting through the thickheaded registered democrats that he embodies all of the characteristics of what a Democrat should be. They seem fascinated with politicians who refer to themselves as Democrats but their voting records, and platforms prove they are anything but a Democrat, i.e. Obama, and Hillary.

Dennis will give what is called “single payer universal health care”. You will still have a choice of buying your own private medical insurance under this plan, and it is NOT socialized medicine because the health care facilities would remain private and not be ran by the government. Americans are already paying for health care, check your pay stub and look for the medical tax section. These funds are currently mismanaged and would be diverted into this new program. In addition, you will end up being taxed 5-10 dollars more per pay period (depending on the frequency of your pay). This is the point where people gasp and cry about having to pay more taxes. However, this surely beats the incredibly high premiums you may be paying now with the policies that you carry. Like I’ve mentioned, it would cost me at least $80.00 per month to buy into the program my employer offers, Now add co-pay on top of that. $20.00 per month in additional taxes for universal health care will most certainly beat paying $80.00 per month.

Obama is offering a health care plan, and under it, people who are at the poverty levels would be given free health care. The rest of us will still be taxed and if we make more than the maximum level (trust me, it will be severely low), we will not qualify. That will still leave tens of millions of Americans without coverage, or going broke trying to pay for coverage.

It is baffling why any Democrat would support anyone but Dennis. What is even worse than that is any vegan supporting anyone but him. Dennis is vegan and will bring an unmatched level of ethics to the White House. He is the only guy who will have products produced with genetically engineered ingredients labeled as such. It really is limitless the amount of good this guy will bring to this nation, and the world.